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Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > I found it impossible to implement compatibly. FSF Emacs 20.2 added > a 6th argument to read-from-minibuffer. We can't do that compatibly > because we already have a 6th argument, ABBREV-TABLE, which I wouldn't > want to lose. Sometimes I think we should add all new arguments as :keyword arguments so there is no crap regarding positional arguments and incompatibabilities like these. Jan

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Re: Why do all the XEmacs defaults suck? (was Re: Why using (push-mark) ?) 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: > My expectation is that there are going to be several candidates for > "Jane User". If they are (individually) coherent enough, and > reasonably few, maybe we should look into "defaults themes". Not just > faces (as has already been proposed), but zemacs-regions and the Customize themes. I have done something similar patches already and I'll try and do it again (thesis permitting) for after 21.0 In our site-start.el I have a policy of enabling everything you can find. Most users won't notice it otherwise. Jan

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Re: [Urgent, 21.0] Correct big screwup in package-ui 25 years, 8 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: >> I've tried to apply your patch and it fails: Jan> This is against my other patch which is only in the very Jan> latest version steve checked into to the CVS and announced. The patch failed against (emacs-version) "XEmacs 21.0 \"Pyrenean-pre4\" [Lucid] (i386-pc-win32) of Tue Oct 13 1998 on TWILIGHT" isn't that the latest one? Jan> If your package-ui customized and has menus then my older Jan> patch is in, if not upgrade. Hmmh? To be exact, I have this: Options Manage Packages List_Install Using Custom Select ... Update Help Regards, Adrian Jan> Jan -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail adrian.aichner(a)teradyne.com

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Re: Safe downloading of NT XEmacs 25 years, 8 months

Hrvoje Niksic

"Amir J. Katz" <amir(a)ndsoft.com> writes: > [4] I have tried using GetRight, but it didn't work right :-( Try Wget. <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/wget-1.5.3.tar.gz> -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Re: Why do all the XEmacs defaults suck? (was Re: Why using (push-mark) ?) 25 years, 8 months

Hrvoje Niksic

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > The basic question as Martin has raised it to me in conversation > over the phone, is why do all the defaults suck? `xemacs -vanilla' > stinks. If there is anyone who can stand editing in an `xemacs > -vanilla' environment for any time longer than to reproduce a bug > someone has reported, please speak up, otherwise let's have some > discussion on changing defaults around. I think `xemacs -vanilla' is much better than it used to be a few years ago. When adding new features I've always tried to make the default behaviour the correct one, and add user-options only when absolutely necessary. Way too often in Emacs, the defaults are sucky, and one is supposed to configure things to his liking. I believe in a harder alternative, which is to make the defaults do the right thing whenever possible, and *then* allow user-options to change this. I've written about these things before. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Join the Army, meet interesting people, kill them.

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Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)pobox.com> writes: > Does the M-n part interest us? I found it impossible to implement compatibly. FSF Emacs 20.2 added a 6th argument to read-from-minibuffer. We can't do that compatibly because we already have a 6th argument, ABBREV-TABLE, which I wouldn't want to lose. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Predestination was doomed from the start.

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Safe downloading of NT XEmacs 25 years, 8 months

Amir J. Katz

On Charles Waldman's XEmacs/NT page [1], the URL to download the XEmacs executable is an HTTP one. In my experience, Netscape is unreliable in large HTTP downloads [2][3]. The best alternative [4] is to use Go!Zilla, which handles FTP and HTTP downloads beautifully. Latest version is 3.1. It's an advertiser-sponsored version. http://www.gozilla.com Of course, I'm talking about Windows programs (Oh blasphemy!) Footnotes --------- [1] http://www.nj1.aae.com/~cwaldman/xemacs [2] It opens a download window, but the window goes away when the download ends, regardless of the success/failure of the operation. There's no way (AFAIK) to determine whether the d.l. was successful, other than comparing file sizes. [3] I'm using NS Communicator 4.5 PR2, the latest beta version. It was the same with all NS versions. And of course I wouldn't be caught dead using MSIE for that :-) [4] I have tried using GetRight, but it didn't work right :-( --

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Re: pop access 25 years, 8 months

Andy Piper

"Dr. Volker Zell" <vzell(a)de.oracle.com> writes: > I use Gnus together with epop3 from Franklin Lee <flee(a)lehman.com>, > which in turn uses pop3 from Gnus. I like the UIDL feature because I > want to leave my mail on the server after fetching. I use it on > emacs-20.3.1. I would like to use it with Gnus on xemacs but the > problem is, pop3.el uses password routines from ange-ftp. And xemacs > uses efs instead of ange-ftp. It would be nice to have a pop3.el which > works on both emacs versions. I don't know enough lisp to work on > this. Maybe pop3.el could be extended to use either the ange-ftp stuff > or the efs stuff depending on the emacs version. Excellent, I will look into this. Maybe its sufficient to include this in the distribution. Thanks andy

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Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)pobox.com> writes: > Does the M-n part interest us? > > OG. We already have part of it. I have the rest of the patch for minibuf.el too (it as an extra 'default' argument) however this was postponed for 21.1/21.2. Just bother me again after the 21.0 release. Jan

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Re: efs-load/require sllloooooowwww 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Michael makes two very important points in two separate posts on this thread I want to say "Amen!" to and add stress. Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: ... Andy> Please reconsider. I personally think this should be on Ben's Andy> showstopper list since we can fix it right now. > This has nothing to do with reconsideration. I simply don't have the > time right now, and we can fix the problem independently of the > release. I'll get to it as soon as I possibly can. The applicable phrase is "we can fix the problem independently of the release". We're in a new generation of XEmacs. Non-dumped Lisp packages can be fixed in an instant independently of whether a new core is released. If you don't understand this, please think about it for awhile. It's true, and I've been practicing it with InfoDock since early July. Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: Andy> What about just applying jonathan's patch? > I really need to understand the issues properly first. I've had no > end of trouble with applying patches to EFS I didn't fully comprehend. Ditto regarding XEmacs patches I integrate.

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