October 1998 - XEmacs-Beta - XEmacs Mailing List Archives

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: [This Lisp FAQ talking about Common Lisp is it.) > When a function takes both types of arguments, all the optional > arguments must be specified explicitly before any of the keyword > arguments may be specified. Can be not just ditch this requirement (which I consider extremely silly). > So, adding keyword arguments to a function that already accepts a > bunch of optional arguments (for historical reasons) would only > introduce *more* problems and confusion. What if you can also specify the "optional" arguments through keywords then you can just use all keywords or just positional arguments. Jan

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"21.0 \"Pyrenean-pre4\" XEmacs Lucid" can't see my packages 25 years, 8 months

Adrian Aichner

Hello all package system developers! As I have reported before, "21.0 \"Pyrenean-pre4\" XEmacs Lucid" is rather useless out of the box when it comes to package listing package installation Could somebody please tell me which patches I need to install on top of vanilla emacs-version "21.0 \"Pyrenean-pre4\" XEmacs Lucid" to get the package system up and running again? Here is what I see when invoking Options->Manage Packages->List _ Install[1]: Latest Installed Package name Vers. Vers. Description =============================================================================== =============================================================================== Symbols in the leftmost column: + The package is marked for installation. - The package has not been installed. * The currently installed package is old, and a newer version is available. Useful keys: `return' to select/unselect the current package for installation. `r' to add any packages required by those selected. `x' to install selected packages. `space' to display additional information about the package in the modeline. `g' to refresh the package list. `v' to toggle between a verbose and non-verbose display. `q' to kill this buffer. Footnotes: [1] Please note that my installation on system-configuration "i386-pc-win32" really shows "List _ Install", while the installation on system-configuration "sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1" shows "List & Install". -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail adrian.aichner(a)teradyne.com

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Re: VM/packaging bug ? 25 years, 8 months

Oscar Figueiredo

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Bibilo <peb(a)delcam.com> writes: >>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com> writes: Kyle> Check for the vm-sprintf symbol in your locally installed Lisp Kyle> packages. VM 6.62 does not use that symbol, but an old add-on Kyle> package might. Paul> Greg is spot on here with tm/tm-vm.el, which is in the current package Paul> tree. What is the solution ? tm-vm.el is a very old kludge I used to maintain and which dates back to the days when VM had no built-in MIME support. This thing is an abomination and we should not bundle it anymore. Oscar

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Re: VM/packaging bug ? 25 years, 8 months

Paul Bibilo

Greg Klanderman writes: > tm/tm-vm.el > > (are you on the list these days Kyle, or should I copy you?) > > >>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com> writes: > Kyle> > Kyle> Paul Bibilo writes: > >> If I try to forward a mail message in VM 6.62 under 21.0 > >> "Pyrenean-pre4", I get the following: > >> > >> Symbol's function definition is void: vm-sprintf > Kyle> > Kyle> Check for the vm-sprintf symbol in your locally installed Lisp > Kyle> packages. VM 6.62 does not use that symbol, but an old add-on > Kyle> package might. > Greg is spot on here with tm/tm-vm.el, which is in the current package tree. What is the solution ? -- Paul

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Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > I found it impossible to implement compatibly. FSF Emacs 20.2 added > > a 6th argument to read-from-minibuffer. We can't do that compatibly > > because we already have a 6th argument, ABBREV-TABLE, which I wouldn't > > want to lose. > > Sometimes I think we should add all new arguments as :keyword > arguments so there is no crap regarding positional arguments and > incompatibabilities like these. Yes, but we still have the historical crap to think about. The keyword arguments must follow the normal arguments, even the optional ones. Regard this entry from the Lisp FAQ: [3-0] Why does (READ-FROM-STRING "foobar" :START 3) return FOOBAR instead of BAR? READ-FROM-STRING is one of the rare functions that takes both &OPTIONAL and &KEY arguments: READ-FROM-STRING string &OPTIONAL eof-error-p eof-value &KEY :start :end :preserve-whitespace When a function takes both types of arguments, all the optional arguments must be specified explicitly before any of the keyword arguments may be specified. In the example above, :START becomes the value of the optional EOF-ERROR-P parameter and 3 is the value of the optional EOF-VALUE parameter. To get the desired result, you should use (READ-FROM-STRING "foobar" t nil :START 3) If you need to understand and use the optional arguments, please refer to CLTL2 under READ-FROM-STRING, otherwise, this will behave as desired for most purposes. So, adding keyword arguments to a function that already accepts a bunch of optional arguments (for historical reasons) would only introduce *more* problems and confusion. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- The end of the world is coming... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!

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Re: [patch] automatic loading of package-get-base 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

greg(a)alphatech.com (Greg Klanderman) writes: The idea seems OK with me > (package-get-add-base-entry 'package-get-add-or-update-base-entry' ? > > How's that sound? > Fine..

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Re: [Urgent, 21.0] Correct big screwup in package-ui 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: > The patch failed against (emacs-version) "XEmacs 21.0 > \"Pyrenean-pre4\" [Lucid] (i386-pc-win32) of Tue Oct 13 1998 on > TWILIGHT" > isn't that the latest one? Hmmm.. > > Jan> If your package-ui customized and has menus then my older > Jan> patch is in, if not upgrade. > > Hmmh? To be exact, I have this: I meant the menus that are now in package-ui mode. But anyway. I did a CVS update cvs diff lisp/package-get.el lisp/package-ui.el again and uuencoded it. Unfortunately this will also you give you gregs patch. If you want I'll recreate it in its own but the change itself is really trivial. 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Re: help me fix package-get-base breakage 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

greg(a)alphatech.com (Greg Klanderman) writes: > Will you be satisfied if it asks a yes-or-no-p question for whether to > continue without signature verification when you don't have the stuff > needed to verify the signature? As you did in the patch you posted. That's fine by me. Jan

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Re: [patch] automatic loading of package-get-base 25 years, 8 months

Greg Klanderman

>>>>> "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> Jan> greg(a)alphatech.com (Greg Klanderman) writes: Jan> I like it!. Especially that I am able to continue without the thing Jan> being signed! thanks! >> Outstanding issues: I'd like to change the format of the package index file to * be able to share the same format for updates as well as the entire database. * be more easily parseable from elisp, so i can avoid using `eval' on elisp gotten over ftp. yes, it is pgp signed, but still probably better to be as secure as possible. (guess Pete Ware got to me.. ;-) I propose a sequence of entries in the following format, with no setq or what have you wrapped around it (package-get-add-base-entry 'zenirc '(standards-version 1.0 version "1.04" author-version "2.112" date "1998-08-15" build-date "1998-10-12" maintainer "XEmacs Development Team <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>" distribution stable priority medium category "comm" dump nil description "ZENIRC IRC Client." filename "zenirc-1.04-pkg.tar.gz" md5sum "96d9e09c41de5c19d8aa092ad544ad6d" size 276116 provides (zenirc) requires (zenirc) type regular )) I'd add a function of that name, so these could easily be evalled, but I would use `read' and parse the sexp in the package-get.el code. I would continue to have the header: ;; Package Index file -- Do not edit manually. and put markers between entries: ;;;＠＠＠ How's that sound?

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Re: help me fix package-get-base breakage 25 years, 8 months

Greg Klanderman

Jan, Will you be satisfied if it asks a yes-or-no-p question for whether to continue without signature verification when you don't have the stuff needed to verify the signature? >>>>> "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> Jan> greg(a)alphatech.com (Greg Klanderman) writes: >> I think I've nearly got this working, including the >> PGP signature verification. Patch should be coming RSN. Jan> Jan> Please put in an option to do without the signing (defaulting to Jan> require-signing of course). Jan> Jan> Jan

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