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egg-its-1.12-pkg.tar.gz 25 years, 8 months

Tetsuya HOYANO

I have got an error in the mini buffer says `cant find egg-startup-file on egg-startup-file-search-path' when I try to input Japanese with this package. It was not happened with egg-its-1.11-pkg.tar.gz even I don't have the .eggrc file anywhere. Additionally, there is no eggrc-wnn file in the 1.12 package and I have put them into mule-packages/lisp/egg-its from 1.11 package to avoid the error temporarily. Sorry for only reporting, --HOYANO

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Re: 21.0 showstopper bytecompile-time -vs- run-time dependencies 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Since not all run-time dependencies should be enforced either > (eg. Gnus run-time dependency on rmail), the solution isn't a > straightforward download everything. I think one can learn here from other package systems, in particular debians: Depends: Absolutely necessary at runtime Recommended: Strongly recommended (these are obeyed by default unlesss the users expressly changes it). Suggests: Usefull packages to use with this. Defaults to off Conflicts: I think this is clear. Replace: Jan

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Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: 20.3.1 nit: set-face-* commands] 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > their own obarray and everything. Elisp keywords are just symbols > beginning with `:'. So why shouldn't an optional argument receive a > symbol beginning with `:'? Ok you guys have a point there :-). So what could we do instead? Implement packages so one can call (xemacs::read-from-minibuffer). ?? Jan

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The Perfect Patch 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

The mechanical quality of patches going to xemacs-patches has been going up, and I thank you all for that. As a reminder for those not familiar with the procedures we use, I will repost an example of what I consider a perfect patch submission. It contains an explanation of why we need to apply this patch (you normally don't have to be this detailed, but this kind of detail makes it *much* easier to read patches and is most welcome). It contains a ChangeLog entry. It contains a patch rooted in the top-level XEmacs source directory. Well done Greg.

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Re: XEmacs sumo 25 years, 8 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)ifi.uio.no> writes: Lars> I've been trolling around on www.xemacs.org a bit, but I Lars> can't find a link anywhere to the sumo packages. Er, Lars> like... Where are they? Here it is: /ftp＠ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages: total 97546 drwxrwsr-x 2 6101 6199 8192 Oct 16 06:47 . drwxrwsr-x 19 6101 6199 2048 Oct 16 06:59 .. <lines deleted by Adrian> -rw-r--r-- 1 6101 6199 3203 Oct 14 21:11 xemacs-sumo-19981014.README -rw-r--r-- 1 6101 6199 18872512 Oct 14 21:21 xemacs-sumo-19981014.tar.gz <lines deleted by Adrian> Adrian Lars> -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) Lars> larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail adrian.aichner(a)teradyne.com

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Re: Fwd: Re: "Dr. Soffer or How I Learned to Hate SCSI" 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)iria.mines.u-nancy.fr> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > I want one ! I want one ! I want one ! <AOL> Me too! </AOL> > Hmmm, sorry ^^;;; > OG. > From: Lars Hecking <lhecking+usenet(a)nmrc.ucc.ie> > Newsgroups: alt.sysadmin.recovery > Subject: Re: "Dr. Soffer or How I Learned to Hate SCSI" > Leif Nixon <nixon(a)softlab.se> writes: > [...] >> T-shirt design idea of the week; black T-shirt with >> "C-u 1000 M-x all-hail-emacs" in green Courier on the >> front. > On the back, in white Courier: "Obsolete function. Use `all-hail-xemacs'." > Duck and cover, duck and cover ... Right On! :-)

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Re: 21.0 showstopper bytecompile-time -vs- run-time dependencies 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)pobox.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 11:15:50PM -0700, SL Baur wrote: >> Before I forget ... >> >> The current REQUIRES field is only a bytecompile-time dependency not a >> run-time dependency and should *never* be enforced at run-time, >> including package fetching. >> >> Since not all run-time dependencies should be enforced either >> (eg. Gnus run-time dependency on rmail), the solution isn't a >> straightforward download everything. >> >> Suggestions? > Three fields: > - minimal requires for runtime > - requires for compile time > - full requires for maximal operation Exactly correct. The minimal requires would be force-downloaded by the package-get stuffs. The maximal requires would need some kind of extra option. For a first cut, I'd be satisfied to have minimal requires handled correctly as the SUMO tarballs will handle everything else. > But maybe that would be too much a hassle to manage... At the present time, yes. We *really* need some tool to compute run-time dependencies.

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Re: 21.0 showstopper bytecompile-time -vs- run-time dependencies 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo(a)di.epfl.ch> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> Before I forget ... sb> The current REQUIRES field is only a bytecompile-time dependency not a sb> run-time dependency and should *never* be enforced at run-time, sb> including package fetching. sb> Since not all run-time dependencies should be enforced either sb> (eg. Gnus run-time dependency on rmail), the solution isn't a sb> straightforward download everything. sb> Suggestions? > If I understand things well, this confusion probably stems from the following > line in package-info.in that can be found in most packages, I believe: > requires (REQUIRES) This isn't the right fix, alas. > Editing this line by hand for packages that need it should be enough to > introduce the distinction between bytecompile-time and > runtime/package-installation-time dependencies. No, that's not the case at all. To pick a specific example, there are many packages which have a dependency on reportmail, but *don't* have a bytecompile-time dependency on mail-libs. You don't need functional outgoing email to run cc-mode ... The run-time dependencies need to be in something completely separate.

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Re: XEmacs sumo 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)ifi.uio.no> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > I've been trolling around on www.xemacs.org a bit, but I can't find a > link anywhere to the sumo packages. Er, like... Where are they? ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/packages/xemacs-SUMO-1998-09-19.tar.gz

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Re: 21.0 showstopper bytecompile-time -vs- run-time dependencies 25 years, 8 months

Oscar Figueiredo

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> Before I forget ... sb> The current REQUIRES field is only a bytecompile-time dependency not a sb> run-time dependency and should *never* be enforced at run-time, sb> including package fetching. sb> Since not all run-time dependencies should be enforced either sb> (eg. Gnus run-time dependency on rmail), the solution isn't a sb> straightforward download everything. sb> Suggestions? If I understand things well, this confusion probably stems from the following line in package-info.in that can be found in most packages, I believe: requires (REQUIRES) Editing this line by hand for packages that need it should be enough to introduce the distinction between bytecompile-time and runtime/package-installation-time dependencies. This patch to package-info.el is needed in that case: 1998-10-16 Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo(a)di.epfl.ch> * package-info.el (pi-update-key): Ignore missing keys Index: package-info.el =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/CVSroot/XEmacs/xemacs-20/lisp/package-info.el,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -u -r1.4 package-info.el --- package-info.el 1998/01/25 09:54:45 1.4 +++ package-info.el 1998/10/16 15:34:58 ＠＠ -59,7 +59,7 ＠＠ (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (let ((case-fold-search nil)) - (when (search-forward key) + (when (search-forward key nil t) (replace-match value t))))) (defun pi-author-version (author-version) Oscar

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