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Re: XEmacs documentation binaries available 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > They really should be redone using texi2pdf on a modern teTeX 1.0/Tex > Live-4 installation. Cancel that for the moment. The ones on the website do have hyperlinks! How where they done? Is there a version of texinfo that produce the right specials? Jan

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Re: XEmacs documentation binaries available 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

Darryl Okahata <darrylo(a)sr.hp.com> writes: > All of the PDF files should now be created using texi2pdf or pdftex > (which is what texi2pdf uses). If there are any with the ugly bitmap > fonts, please tell us about them. OK, thanks. Jan

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Re: xemacs source code HOWTO ? 25 years, 3 months

Didier Verna

Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org> wrote: > These are not useless. It means you can just change the header instead of > all of your source code if your definition of how to access bar changes. Yes, but I'd prefer being able to debug XEmacs, even if it costs me a one-or-two-shot sed call on all sources to change "->foo" to "->bar" once in a year (century ?). -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / ENST, INFRES C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. +33 (1) 45 81 73 46 75013 Paris, France Fax. +33 (1) 45 81 31 19

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Re: Anybody has the email address of Christian Nybo? 25 years, 3 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "mt" == Marcus Thiessel <marcus(a)xemacs.org> writes: mt> The email to Christian Nybo failed with the following mt> message. Anybody out there who has another one that works? My big brother told me this: Christian Nybo net: s911254(a)stud.nhh.no, chr(a)www.hatleberg.sib.hl.no, chr(a)mediascience.no AKA: Christian Nyb creation-date: 28 Mar 1998 timestamp: 05 Dec 1998 attribution: CN HTH, Adrian mt> --Marcus mt> ------------------------ snip ---------------------------------- mt> Your message mt> To: Christian Nybo mt> Subject: Re: Slight updates to XEmacs web pages. mt> Sent: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:48:45 +0200 mt> did not reach the following recipient(s): mt> Christian Nybo on Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:06:59 +0200 mt> The recipient name is not recognized mt> The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=NO;a= ;p=New Media mt> Scienc;l=EXCHANGE9908161003Q54QL5NP mt> MSEXCH:IMS:New Media Science:EXCHANGE:EXCHANGE 0 (000C05A6) Unknown mt> Recipien

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Re: xemacs source code HOWTO ? 25 years, 3 months

Didier Verna

sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) wrote: > dv> I whish we rewritte XEmacs in C++ someday. > > Yeah, let's REALLY screw things up for good ... I said "someday", not "today"... I'm /not/ the one who can tell whether it's already feasible, in terms of C++ normalization and existence of a decent C++ compiler on all platforms that we currently support. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / ENST, INFRES C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. +33 (1) 45 81 73 46 75013 Paris, France Fax. +33 (1) 45 81 31 19

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Re: xemacs source code HOWTO ? 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > Don't be so VH :-) There are far too many useless macros in XEmacs, > notably the ones for just getting a structure field that takes longer to type > than directly `foo->bar'. More importantly they make it close impossible to use the debugger. (Here debugger is defined as me+gdb). > I whish we rewritte XEmacs in C++ someday. I wish the same sometimes too. Some parts of XEmacs are a real good argument for C++ (at least in theory, and some compilers are getting pretty close to that now): Modern compilers (gcc 2.95 with --new-abi) have all these - One word overhead on RTTI[1] - Templates to get rid of those huge macros in lrecord.h etc - function pointer based OO replaced by language syntax support OO. - Table based exception handling (basically the same as our specl* stuff, I think). Given that you can do a simple lisp in #!/bin/sh it is no surprise that you can do it in C++, but I think that a bit of language support couldn't hurt the readability of the code. Dumping a C++ executable is going to be a pain though. I also am not sure whether allows smarter elisp implementation than we have now (i.e. one with a copying garbage collector and real closures). Jan Footnotes: [1] If we are going to release 21.2 with LRECORD_CONS then we really should consider reducing this overhead, 50% is simply too much.

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Re: xemacs source code HOWTO ? 25 years, 3 months

Michael Sperber

>>>>> "dv" == Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: dv> Don't be so VH :-) There are far too many useless macros in XEmacs, dv> notably the ones for just getting a structure field that takes longer to type dv> than directly `foo->bar'. Not to speak about GCC_ATTRIBUTE_SYNTAX_SUCK (IIRC) dv> and other zawinskies of this sort :-) dv> I whish we rewritte XEmacs in C++ someday. Yeah, let's REALLY screw things up for good ... -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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Anybody has the email address of Christian Nybo? 25 years, 3 months

Marcus Thiessel

The email to Christian Nybo failed with the following message. Anybody out there who has another one that works? --Marcus ------------------------ snip ---------------------------------- Your message To: Christian Nybo Subject: Re: Slight updates to XEmacs web pages. Sent: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:48:45 +0200 did not reach the following recipient(s): Christian Nybo on Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:06:59 +0200 The recipient name is not recognized The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=NO;a= ;p=New Media Scienc;l=EXCHANGE9908161003Q54QL5NP MSEXCH:IMS:New Media Science:EXCHANGE:EXCHANGE 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipien

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Re: xemacs source code HOWTO ? 25 years, 3 months

Didier Verna

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> wrote: > Stef Epardaud <stef(a)lunatech.com> writes: > > > while, and Java brainwashed me quite well, i got very confused as to all > > the precompiler macros > > Don't worry. The preprocessor macro's scare everybody. They are way > over the top, IMVHO. Don't be so VH :-) There are far too many useless macros in XEmacs, notably the ones for just getting a structure field that takes longer to type than directly `foo->bar'. Not to speak about GCC_ATTRIBUTE_SYNTAX_SUCK (IIRC) and other zawinskies of this sort :-) I whish we rewritte XEmacs in C++ someday. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / ENST, INFRES C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. +33 (1) 45 81 73 46 75013 Paris, France Fax. +33 (1) 45 81 31 19

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Re: XEmacs documentation binaries available 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: > > Netscape Proxy is unable to find the file: /pub/xemacs/docs/letter/internals-a4.pdf.gz Check the file name and try > again. The link looks broken /pub/xemacs/docs/letter/internals-a4.pdf.gz ^^^^^^ ^^ Jan

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