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Jareth Hein

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Oberman <oberman(a)es.net> writes: Kevin> In every version of XEmacs I have used, Kevin> $prefix/lib/xemacs/site-lisp has been in the default load Kevin> path. Now it is missing. Is this deliberate? Yes. However, it's a configure time option now. Add --with-site-lisp to your configure line, and it re-appears. Oops... not shown with configure --help... Patch upcomming. -- Jareth Hein | jareth(a)camelot.co.jp | ハインジェラス Toolsmith & Program lead | http://www.camelot.co.jp | 開発部チーフ Camelot Software, Ltd. | |（株）キャメロット "It's a sad sign of the times when 'political machine' is redefined to include 'main-line battle tank'" - Ambassador Grossblunder

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Re: Trial of Windows Installer for XEmacs-21.0-b50 27 years

Jareth Hein

>>>>> "Mauro" == Mauro Condarelli <MC5686(a)mclink.it> writes: <snip> Mauro> Hi, I tested binaries & installation under w95. Mauro> I selected the following packages: xemacs-base dired mail-lib Mauro> edit-utils text-modes c-support cc-mode calendar time Mauro> fsf-compat mine net-utils os-utils vc <snip> Mauro> Almost everything work (somehow). Mauro> My notes are (bear in mind this is far from an exhaustive Mauro> test!): Mauro> - On startup xemacs complains because "Error in init file: Mauro> Cannot open load file: pc\pc-select"; which is correct because Mauro> the subdir lisp\pc does *not* exist (I copied it by hand from Mauro> my Linux install and the problem went away). That file is found in the 'pc' package. Mauro> - I tried to use the "vc" package (included in the release), Mauro> but I Mauro> incurred in several problems: Mauro> - I had to manually (load-library "vc") Mauro> - the menu came up but Tools->VC->"CVS Update Directory" said Mauro> "Symbol's function definition is void: cvs-update" Mauro> - I copied the .../lisp/pcl-cvs subdir and the error became: Mauro> "Error starting: "bin/sh", "Exec format error"". Mauro> - I gave up ;-( CVS support is separate from VC. Grab the pcl-cvs package. VC is for working with RCS files. However, without a shell to exec with, it will be useless too. I'm not sure, but doesn't that pretty much require cygwin? Not to mention a cvs binary... Is there such a beast for windows? I know of the cvs server client and the java client, but how about a commandline version? -- Jareth Hein | jareth(a)camelot.co.jp | ハインジェラス Toolsmith & Program lead | http://www.camelot.co.jp | 開発部チーフ Camelot Software, Ltd. | |（株）キャメロット "It's a sad sign of the times when 'political machine' is redefined to include 'main-line battle tank'" - Ambassador Grossblunder

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Default load-path in 21.0 27 years

Kevin Oberman

I finally figured out why I could not get 21.0 to install. It was because I built XEmacs in my personal directory and then tried to install it with all packages in that directory where XEmacs run as root did not see them. But that led to another problem, the default load path. In every version of XEmacs I have used, $prefix/lib/xemacs/site-lisp has been in the default load path. Now it is missing. Is this deliberate? R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman(a)es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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Re: Trial of Windows Installer for XEmacs-21.0-b50 27 years

Mauro Condarelli

> For anybody trying to download the XEmacs-21.0-b50 installer: > > I've wrapped a little CGI script around the file so that when > you click on it, it should download properly, instead of trying > to open the file as text in the browser window. This should make > it much easier to download. Please let me know if there are > still any problems downloading this. > > It still can be found at http://nj1.aae.com/~cwaldman/xemacs Hi, I tested binaries & installation under w95. I selected the following packages: xemacs-base dired mail-lib edit-utils text-modes c-support cc-mode calendar time fsf-compat mine net-utils os-utils vc I installed unto my C: drive in the default location. I use a Linux file server and my H: drive points to my home-dir under Linux (I use Samba). I have "set HOME=h:\" in my autoexec.bat (so my home dir is the same under linux and W95; in particular my .emacs is *the same*) My .emacs follows: ---------------------------------------- ;; ;; Keypad Key bindings ;; (global-set-key [kp-0] 'set-mark-command) (global-set-key [kp-add] 'copy-region-as-kill) (global-set-key [kp-decimal] 'delete-char ) (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region) (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'yank) (global-set-key [kp-divide] 'yank-pop) ;; ;; Function key bindings ;; (global-set-key [f1] 'help-command) (global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer) (global-set-key [f3] 'find-file-other-window) (global-set-key [f5] 'delete-other-windows) (global-set-key [f6] 'other-window) (global-set-key [f8] 'next-error) (global-set-key [f9] 'compile) (global-set-key [f10] 'shell-command) ;; ;; Display function in topbar menu ;; (require 'func-menu) (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry) ;; ;; Automatic 'fromdos' functionality ;; (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'remove-or-convert-trailing-ctl-M) (defun remove-or-convert-trailing-ctl-M () "Propose to remove or convert trailing ^M from a file." (interactive) (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (if (search-forward "\^M" nil t) ;; a ^M is found (if (or (= (preceding-char) ?\^J) (= (following-char) ?\^J) ) ;; Must find a way to display the buffer before this question (if (y-or-n-p "Remove trailing ^M ? ") (progn (goto-char (point-min)) (perform-replace "\^M" "" nil nil nil) (pop-mark) ) (message "No transformation.") ) (if (y-or-n-p "Convert ^M into ^J ? ") (progn (goto-char (point-min)) (perform-replace "\^M" "\^J" nil nil nil) (pop-mark) ) (message "No transformation.") ) ) ;;(message "No ^M in this file !") ) ) ) (autoload 'pc-select-mode "pc/pc-select" nil t) (pc-select-mode t) (custom-set-variables '(init-face-from-resources nil) '(speedbar-package t) '(locale-package nil) '(egg-its-package nil) '(vc-package t) '(comment-column 56) '(mouse-avoidance-mode (quote banish) nil (avoid)) '(delete-key-deletes-forward t) '(sounds-au-package t) '(strokes-package t) '(font-lock-use-colors t) '(mew-package t) '(c-backslash-column 80) '(font-lock-use-fonts nil) '(pcl-cvs-package nil) '(compilation-mouse-motion-initiate-parsing t) '(c-cleanup-list (quote (brace-else-brace brace-elseif-brace empty-defun-braces scope-operator))) '(mule-base-package nil) '(c-default-style "user") '(igrep-package t) '(leim-package nil) '(mine-package t) '(truncate-lines t) '(c-electric-pound-behavior (quote (alignleft))) '(line-number-mode t) '(edict-package nil) '(net-utils-package t) '(kill-whole-line t) '(mail-lib-package t) '(slider-package t) '(get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit 4) '(vc-cc-package nil)) (custom-set-faces) ---------------------------------------- Almost everything work (somehow). My notes are (bear in mind this is far from an exhaustive test!): - On startup xemacs complains because "Error in init file: Cannot open load file: pc\pc-select"; which is correct because the subdir lisp\pc does *not* exist (I copied it by hand from my Linux install and the problem went away). - xemacs seems (still) to be unable to handle any internal command. (shell-command "set") ;; (to see what env.var I have defined) beeps a: "Spawning child process: Exec format error". I already reported this (since none answered me I assumed I was the only one to see this and I hoped I goofed the build somehow), if someone is interested in my findings (i traced the problem, but I'm unsure in how to fix it) please drop me a note. - I tried to use the "vc" package (included in the release), but I incurred in several problems: - I had to manually (load-library "vc") - the menu came up but Tools->VC->"CVS Update Directory" said "Symbol's function definition is void: cvs-update" - I copied the .../lisp/pcl-cvs subdir and the error became: "Error starting: "bin/sh", "Exec format error"". - I gave up ;-( My personal opinion: This thing is NOT ready for prime time. Normal W{95|NT} users will have difficulties because xemacs is too unix-ish. Unix-aware users will expect to have "the real thing" and will be disappointed (sorely so). I, for one, would like to use xemacs (instead of some other W95 editor) to be able to browse CVS, use emerge (possibly aganist repository, ...), otherwise I would stick to SemWare's e32. I'm a little afraid to go the cygwin32 road, since I tested it and felt like a monster with the problems of both worlds. What I would really like would be to be able to prepare a package (to be handed to non-unix-savvy developers) to enable editing, compiling, diffing, Tagging and CVSsing. Any suggestion?? Thanks! Mauro Best Regards Mauro Condarelli

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[EXPERIMENTAL PATCH] package-get modifications #2 27 years

Darryl Okahata

[ Again, this is *not* being sent to xemacs-patch, as I'd like to get more feedback and fix up a number of things. A ChangeLog is not included because this patch is still experimental. ] This is the second release of changes to package-get and friends to make it more user-friendly. The only (big) change in this release is a new, visual package installer. You can now display a list of all available packages and see which ones are installed or out-of-date. You can also select individual packages for installation. Invoke "M-x package-get-list-packages" to see the visual installer. You can press [space] or [return] to toggle packages for upgrade/installation. To install selected packages, press "x" or "I". Changes/features in previous releases: * You can now search local disks for packages. For example, to search the local directory, "/my/local/directory", for packages, you can set package-get-remote like this in your ~/.emacs: (setq package-get-remote '( (nil "/my/local/directory") (nil "~/local/package/dir") ; note: expansion is done ("ftp.xemacs.org" "/pub/xemacs/beta/xemacs-21.0/packages/binary-packages") )) * Most interactive functions now do package completion. * Hooks for mswindows users have been added. These have to be manually enabled, however. If you have djtar.exe installed, add the following to your .emacs: (setq package-admin-install-function 'package-admin-install-function-mswindows) (I still have not yet gotten around to getting rid of add-big-package.sh, although I'll do this soon.) Issues, problems, and things to do: * This is a work-in-progress. Dead, unused code exists. Some prompts are slightly wrong. * When selecting a package for installation, the visual package display needs to autoselect uninstalled or out-of-date packages (the package installer will get the dependencies correct, but the user should be shown these dependencies as items are selected). * Old package code is not deleted before a newer version is installed. * display-completion-list is used to display selected packages for installation, when asking the user if he really does want to install those packages. This is done to get a nicely-formatted display (the code to do this correctly is large, and I didn't want to copy/modify the code in display-completion-list). However, display-completion-list always inserts the text, "Possible completions are:", into the buffer. Would it be possible to make this optionally modifiable (via keywords, as is currently done for other options)? The change is simple, and I'd be more than willing to do it. * Need to provide a way of obtaining the latest package list from ftp.xemacs.org or mirrors. * In the visual package installer, need to optionally display the currently installed version of a package (next to the latest package version), so that users have more information on just how out-of-date a package is. * Need to use a different face for uninstalled packages, as well as a different face for out-of-date packages. Currently, only selected packages for installation have a specific face (bold, which needs to be customizable, but currently isn't). * Need to provide customization hooks for faces, etc.? * Need to get rid of add-big-package.sh and associated code. * This package should autoselect between mswindows (non-cygwin) and Unix package installers. * More display messages need to be added, to tell the user what's going on. As it is, XEmacs seems to "hang" while package stuff is being installed; there should be more progress messages. * Does not work under Win95, as subprocesses seem to be broken. Works great under WinNT 4.0. Patches are relative to B51. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo(a)sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

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Re: footnote-balloon.el 27 years

Didier Verna

Remek Trzaska <remek(a)npac.syr.edu> writes: > Anyone still has this nice hack[1]? I must have lost it during one of > XEmacs upgrades.

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footnote-balloon.el 27 years

Remek Trzaska

Anyone still has this nice hack[1]? I must have lost it during one of XEmacs upgrades. TIA, Remek Footnotes: [1] I shamefully admit I don't even remember who wrote it :-( -- Remek Trzaska http://www.npac.syr.edu/users/remek Research Scientist Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse University, NY

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Re: [Bug?] Differnt buffers for same file 27 years

Jan Vroonhof

Christoph Wedler <wedler(a)fmi.uni-passau.de> writes: > x-symbol.el<3> 208735 Emacs-Lisp /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/x-symbol/x-symbol.el > x-symbol.el 208735 Emacs-Lisp /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/x-symbol/x-symbol.el > > What's going on there? (I use efs and vc, below the contents of features) How do you load these. Do you type C-x C-f ~/blabla alot? There are some changes in 21.0 regarging the expansion of paths with magic stuff like that. Just guessing, Jan

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Re: [Patch] NEWS; EDiff menus 27 years

Oscar Figueiredo

>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler(a)fmi.uni-passau.de> writes: CW> + ** The EDiff menus are no longer included in the default menubar. CW> + Users must add: CW> + CW> + (require 'ediff-hook) CW> + CW> + to their .emacs file to get the menus. CW> + I'd much rather have this require in the auto-autoloads file of the ediff package : I suppose that if the package is installed then people want to see the corresponding menu without having to add something to their .emacs which is the less user-friendly thing to do. I sent a one-liner patch for that effect some time ago... it probably disappeared in a black hole... Oscar

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[Bug?] Differnt buffers for same file 27 years

Christoph Wedler

In XEmacs 21.0 "Corsican" [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) of Wed Aug 5 1998 on skrjabin configured using `configure --with-gcc --prefix=/home/clstaff/wedler/xemacs/xemacs-21.0-in --with-tooltalk --x-includes=/usr/local/include --x-libraries=/usr/local/lib --dynamic --with-xface --cflags=-O2' It happens quite often that I get different buffers for the same file in XEmacs-21.0. Here is an example from *Buffer List* x-symbol.el<3> 208735 Emacs-Lisp /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/x-symbol/x-symbol.el x-symbol.el 208735 Emacs-Lisp /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/x-symbol/x-symbol.el What's going on there? (I use efs and vc, below the contents of features) - Christoph `features' is a simple built-in variable. Value: (emacsbug x-symbol-nomule x-symbol-hooks bib-cite x-symbol-image reftex overlay latex tex byte-optimize advice advice-preload template info bytecomp byte-compile vc ediff-vers ediff-merg ediff-diff ediff-tbar ediff-wind ediff-help ediff-util ediff-mult ediff-init ediff texinfo makefile diff xrdb-mode outline finder finder-inf lisp-mnt picture dabbrev add-log rect supercite regi message-x gnus-msg lazy-shot sh-script skeleton executable efs-dired dired-faces dired-xemacs dired view-less view gnus-cite smiley annotations sort metamail bbdb-xemacs bbdb-com bbdb-hooks gnus-async gnus-score score-mode gnus-art browse-url mail-extr gnus-sum nndraft nnmh gnus-cache nnfolder nnml gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail bbdb-gnus bbdb t nntp nnoo gnus-start gnus-range gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-win gnus gnus-ems gnus-xmas gnus-util message messagexmas mail-abbrevs sendmail timezone nnheader nnheaderxm mail-utils mailheader hyper-apropos eldoc timer holidays rsz-minibuf diary-lib time appt cale! ndar x-font-lock tex-site session ff-paths ffap icomplete filladapt func-menu vc-hooks ediff-hook ztools zedit paren blink-paren gnuserv compile font disp-table font-lock cus-face x-symbol x-symbol-sgml x-symbol-tex x-symbol-mule jka-compr efs-x19\.15 efs-fnh passwd efs-ovwrt efs-cu efs-netrc efs-defun comint ring efs xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads view-process-autoloads vhdl-autoloads vc-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads slider-autoloads sh-script-autoloads scheme-autoloads rmail-autoloads reftex-autoloads psgml-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads os-utils-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mule-base-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads leim-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads fsf-compat-autolo! ads frame-icon-autoloads footnote-autoloads eterm-autoloads egg-its-autoloads efs-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads edebug-autoloads dired-autoloads debug-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads Sun-autoloads Standard-autoloads efs-dump loadhist auto-show fontl-hooks x-iso8859-1 menubar-items x-menubar dragdrop mouse mode-motion itimer auto-save lisp-mode easymenu iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete help-nomule derived frame text-props cus-start custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote very-early-lisp tooltalk lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars xface motif-dialogs x tty-frames tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses menubar dbm md5 xemacs tiff png jpeg xpm cde lisp-float-type usg-unix-v dragdrop-api dialog devices window-system c-balloon-help)

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