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Andy Piper

I am currently using my modified movemail to retrieve and filter my mail via pop3 (a bit like procmail and movemail combined) for gnus. This is ok but is slow and presents no feedback to the user under mswindows. I notice that gnus distributes pop3.el but doesn't appear to use it. I also notice that vm includes its own pop access. Is it worth trying to unify these different lisp-based access methods (and add my filtering) and squeeze some more speed in the process? What does vm-pop do that pop3 doesn't? Does anyone use pop3.el with gnus? Are there any other pop access packages? andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

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[Showstopper bug] Re: auto-save-directory-fallback vs. binary kits 25 years, 9 months

Jan Vroonhof

Charles G Waldman <cgw(a)pgt.com> writes: > (defvar auto-save-directory-fallback (expand-file-name "~/.autosave/") > > The expansion of "~" seems to be getting done at compile-time rather > than run-time, so people who download my binary kit get stuck with my > value of "~". In fact it is done at dump time. > How are people who build binary kits dealing with this issue? They are not. This is an issue for all compiles of XEmacs. The dumpings users dir is always used. That whole part of auto-save.el is broken. (See the mapc's that come after it). That load time initialisation stuff should be moved to startup/init time. [thinks and looks at autosave.el] No: The expand file name must be ditched and auto-save-fixed-directory should simply make sure the directory exist before writing. l'll make a patch jan

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Re: add package: cvs.el 25 years, 9 months

Greg Klanderman

OK, did you let Fred know this? I'll CC him just in case. greg >>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> sb> Oops. There's still a problem with cvs.el-1.31. It binds `C-c v' sb> which is forbidden. It also doesn't have any autoloads. The latter sb> is easy enough to deal with.

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auto-save-directory-fallback vs. binary kits 25 years, 9 months

Charles G Waldman

I've gotten reports from people who have downloaded my prebuilt XEmacs for WinNT that there are problems related to autosaving. The variable "auto-save-directory-fallback" is getting set to "C:\\cgw\\.autosave", which creates problems.... auto-save.el has this code: (defvar auto-save-directory-fallback (expand-file-name "~/.autosave/") The expansion of "~" seems to be getting done at compile-time rather than run-time, so people who download my binary kit get stuck with my value of "~". How are people who build binary kits dealing with this issue?

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gnus patch to support movemail enhancements 25 years, 9 months

Andy Piper

Gnus v5.6.43 XEmacs 21.0 "Pyrenean-pre2" [Lucid] (i586-pc-cygwin32) of Mon Oct 12 1998 on ARMAGEDON 200 red.parallax.co.uk NNTPcache server V1.0.7.1 Oct 31 1997 ready (posting ok). I would appreciate it if this patch could be applied to gnus. It simply allows extra arguments to be given to movemail. I use it to selectively download mail using pop. The enhanced movemail should appear in an XEmacs of the future (21.2?). The patch is harmless without it. cheers, andy diff -c /usr/gnu/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el~ /usr/gnu/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el *** /usr/gnu/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el~ Mon Oct 05 16:24:37 1998 --- /usr/gnu/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el Mon Oct 05 16:24:37 1998 *************** *** 243,248 **** --- 243,255 ---- :group 'nnmail-retrieve :type 'string) + (defcustom nnmail-movemail-args nil + "*Extra arguments to give to `nnmail-movemail-program' to move mail from the inbox. + The default is nil" + :group 'nnmail-files + :group 'nnmail-retrieve + :type 'string) + (defcustom nnmail-pop-password-required nil "*Non-nil if a password is required when reading mail using POP." :group 'nnmail-retrieve *************** *** 641,647 **** nnmail-movemail-program exec-directory) nil errors nil inbox tofile) (when nnmail-internal-password ! (list nnmail-internal-password))))))) (push inbox nnmail-moved-inboxes) (if (and (not (buffer-modified-p errors)) (zerop result)) --- 648,656 ---- nnmail-movemail-program exec-directory) nil errors nil inbox tofile) (when nnmail-internal-password ! (list nnmail-internal-password)) ! (when nnmail-movemail-args ! nnmail-movemail-args)))))) (push inbox nnmail-moved-inboxes) (if (and (not (buffer-modified-p errors)) (zerop result)) ------------------ Environment follows ------------------ (setq gnus-nntp-server "news") (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnfolder "private" (nnfolder-directory "~/mail/")))) (setq gnus-local-domain "parallax.co.uk") (setq gnus-local-organization "Parallax Solutions Ltd., Coventry, England.") (setq gnus-load-hook '(tm-setup/load-gnus)) (setq gnus-show-mime t) (setq gnus-summary-mode-hook '(gnus-xmas-switch-horizontal-scrollbar-off gnus-xmas-setup-summary-toolbar gnus-xmas-summary-menu-add mc-install-read-mode)) (setq gnus-parse-headers-hook '(gnus-set-summary-default-charset gnus-decode-rfc1522)) (setq gnus-group-mode-hook '(gnus-xmas-setup-group-toolbar gnus-xmas-group-menu-add)) (setq gnus-exit-gnus-hook '(#<compiled-function nil "...(18)" [frame-live-p toolbar-news-frame frame-list delete-frame nil] 2>)) (setq gnus-article-x-face-command 'gnus-xmas-article-display-xface) (setq gnus-show-mime-method 'gnus-article-preview-mime-message) (setq gnus-decode-encoded-word-method 'gnus-article-decode-encoded-word) (setq gnus-article-mode-hook '(gnus-xmas-article-menu-add turn-off-scroll-in-place)) (setq gnus-read-active-file nil) (setq gnus-save-killed-list nil) (setq gnus-startup-hook '(tm-gnus/bbdb-setup)) (setq gnus-asynchronous nil) ;; (makeunbound 'gnus-topic-mode) (setq gnus-topic-mode-hook '(gnus-xmas-topic-menu-add)) ;; (makeunbound 'gnus-topic-line-format) ;; (makeunbound 'gnus-topic-indent-level) ;; (makeunbound 'gnus-topic-display-empty-topics) (setq nnmail-split-methods '(("list.xemacs-beta" "^..:.*xemacs-beta") ("list.xemacs-patches" "^..:.*xemacs-patches") ("list.xemacs-nt" "^..:.*xemacs-nt") ("list.ejb-interest" "^..:.*\\(EJB-\\|ejb-\\)") ("other" ""))) (setq nnmail-spool-file "po:andyp") (setq nnmail-movemail-args '("-x" "-r" "^..:.*\\(xemacs-\\|EJB-\\|ejb-\\)")) (setq nnmail-tmp-directory "~/mail/") (setq message-user-organization t) (setq message-forward-start-separator "

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movemail pop patches 25 years, 9 months

Andy Piper

I've been using these for a while and they work fine. I have been holding out posting them because I wanted them to go in 21.1. However that seems as far as off as ever. I don't think there's any harm putting these in 21.0, but I guess 21.2 will do also. To use the extra features I've added with gnus you need a patch to gnus which I will post separately. andy 1998-10-14 Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> * Makefile.in.in (movemail): add getopt.o to objects to link with. * movemail.c (main): rewrite to use getopt(). Add options for order reversal, progress output, regexp matching and message deletion. (popmail): add some optional verbose messages. Use pop_search_top for getting messages. Make message deletion optional. Delete all messages at the end rather than on a message my message basis. (pop_search_top): new function. Looks for messages matching regexp. (compile_regex): new function stolen from etags. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

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Re: Irchat contains strong Crypto.. 25 years, 9 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Campbell <rick(a)campbellcentral.org> writes: Rick> irchat seems to contain strong crypto (idea.el). [1] Rick> I thought Steve was already actively ignoring stupid US laws regarding Rick> crypto export. I'm not sure if the intent was civil disobedience or Rick> just the assumption that no one would really do anything about it. Rick> The former seems like a good idea. I don't think the latter be a good Rick> assumption on which to base such decisions. Rick> [1] idea is also patented. Rick> But implementations may be freely distributed for non-commercial use, Rick> right? You cannot distribute, or even make for your own use, something that implements a patented idea. It doesn't matter whether it's commercial or not. If it's patented, you need a license, even to do research on it. (That's what the patent engineers (not lawyers) told me.) Ray

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Re: installing packages from Sumo 25 years, 9 months

Jan Vroonhof

Sebastien Carpe <scarpe(a)atos-group.com> writes: > First i'm running 21.0 beta 57 (last version number on the ftp site) on cygwin32. > Everything works fine, else i didn't manage to install package > ... since i didn't want to have to wist my brain on efs to get through > the proxy, i've dowloaded the sumo package. > after unpacking it, i did > a symlink from ~/.xemacs/packages to the xemacs-package directory. This sounds suspect. Would it be easier to put the sumo somewhere where XEmacs can find it as its "late" packages? (For instance if you are running a mule XEmacs you MUST have mule-packages in the load path too) Also sumo is quite out of date because the package building system has been redone. Now that all the packages have been rebuild I'll try making another one. Jan

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Re: Why using (push-mark) ? 25 years, 9 months

Aki Vehtari

"Ave" == Akie Vehtari <Ave.Vehtari(a)hut.fi> writes: Ave> I have noticed this thing, but until now I have thought, that I Ave> have made the mistake. I have several times been annoyed by this Ave> and couple times I have lost some data. I think that current Ave> behaviour is somewhat confusing... But... Now when I have thought more about this, I've noticed that I utilize current behaviour and I like that mark is pushed when using M-> or M-< and for some reason it's only confusing when I have region visible and using M-> or M-<. I suppose that I've used to mark been pushed before the time of zmacs-regions, but I have used to use visible regions in windows software before the time of zmacs-regions and in windows software "mark is not pushed" when jumping to the beginng/end of the file. So I've learned that when region is not visible M-> or M-< pushes mark and when region is visible M-> or M-< should not push mark. Confusing... Ave

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Re: Irchat contains strong Crypto.. 25 years, 9 months

Jan Vroonhof

Rick Campbell <rick(a)campbellcentral.org> writes: > I thought Steve was already actively ignoring stupid US laws regarding > crypto export. > I'm not sure if the intent was civil disobedience or > just the assumption that no one would really do anything about it. > The former seems like a good idea. I don't think the latter be a good > assumption on which to base such decisions. The major problem people who mirror the XEmacs ftp site are then suddenly civillly disobient(sp?) too. > [1] idea is also patented. > > But implementations may be freely distributed for non-commercial use, > right? AFAIK you still have to have explicit permission from ascom it is just that they have a policy of granting them for non-commercial use. Anyway you better use something like blowfish that is totally free anyway. Jan P.S. I pass by ASCOM every week on the way to and from my girlfriend which I am more involved in the matter as I would otherwise be.

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