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Re: Emacs-Lisp Bill-Board 15 years, 7 months

Andreas Röhler

Bastien wrote: > Richard M Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> writes: > >> It sounds good as you've described it. The best way for people to see >> if it really is that good, and suggest changes, is if some of us >> try visiting http://orgmode.org/worg/ and playing with it. > > I don't know if people on the list actually played with Worg but I just > set up ELBB (Emacs Lisp Bill-Board). It works like Worg, but for Emacs > Lisp code. > > The ELBB repository is hosted on gitorious: > > http://gitorious.org/projects/emacs-lisp-bill-board > > I publish an HTML output here: > > http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/elbb/ > > Changes made to the git repository are reflected on this website every > hour. > > Please have a go and let me know if this is useful. > Hi Bastien, you've done a great thing installing Emacs Lisp Bill-Board already, thanks a lot. (For others: we are her now: http://repo.or.cz/w/elbb.git) Just pulled your last changes and its fine. So if we are at the very beginning and still playing, lets consider some issues: as you told, ELBB now runs as a kind of org-mode. That makes things slightly more difficult. Will it pay? Does org-mode offer something, which might outweigh necessity to learn that format? Sure, it isn't that much; but let's think at the (wo)man writing, having quite other things in mind then learning special formatting lessons; that's already an issue with wikis. ELBB was conceived just to drop a note for others, without much regard for it. OTOH, if it pays it pays. Just wanted to put the question at the table. Maybe could you give a short example what the gain might be in that context? Otherwise my propose is to restart and proceed with simple (general-purpose)-master and branches, telling everything needed in the files commentary sections. ;) Thanks again Andreas Röhler _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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sort-lines (fields) 15 years, 7 months

Uwe Brauer

Hello That is an embarrassing question, but I don't know how to sort lines of my diary like this Original Nov 17, 2008 Apr 14, 2009 Apr 15, 2009 Apr 16, 2009 Nov 5, 2008 Should give Nov 5, 2008 Nov 17, 2008 Apr 14, 2009 Apr 15, 2009 Apr 16, 2009 How can I do this, sort-fields or numeric fields seem not to work. Uwe Brauer _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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regexp type? 15 years, 7 months

Toshi Isogai

Is there regexp type? Using string type makes regexps need a lot of backslashes. (if (looking-at "\\s-*\\(in\\|out\\)\\s-*") .... It is confusing and annoying to see so many backslashes. I wonder if it is possible to make it something like (if (looking-at /\s-*\(in\|out\)\s-*/ ) .... Or even better (if (looking-at /\s-*(in|out)\s-*/ ) .... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Toshi Isogai Toshi.Isogai(a)seakr.com SEAKR Engineering, Inc. 6221 S. Racine Circle Centennial, CO 80111 (303) 784-7674 direct (303) 790-8499 main -------- This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, please note that this message may contain SEAKR Engineering (SEAKR) Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you are strictly prohibited from downloading, photocopying, distributing or otherwise using this message, its contents or attachments in any way. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail and delete the message from your mailbox. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of SEAKR is neither endorsed by nor attributable to SEAKR. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Re: Why I attempted to port dired/VC from emacs 15 years, 8 months

The XEmacs Package Smoketest

>>>>> Rodney Sparapani <rsparapa(a)mcw.edu> writes: Rodney> After a little more testing, the vc.el change does not seem to Rodney> be necessary any more. Therefore, the minimal change Rodney> necessary is: During testing of this patch I got a little confused. You see I'm new to the vc-directory mode so I suspected erroneously(!?) that when I got no files listed in an unmodified directory that there was something wrong. I was expecting a full directory list but with all files listed as unmodified. But after checking with Emacs if found that the empty listing is just how it is supposed to be. Right? If that is the case I don't seem to need the patch to dired-sort-other at all. It works for me without it. Do you have a use case that illustrates when the patch is needed so that I can recreate the problem? Yours -- %% Mats _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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GPLv3 or later -- Lispref files refers to text in lispref.text 15 years, 8 months

The XEmacs Package Smoketest

Hi, Going down into the files ... Most lispref info files refers to the file "./man/lispref/lispref.texi" for the copying conditions. Looking there the text in lispref.texi only refers to ``GNU General Public License''. There is nothing about version 2 and nothing about later. The copyright notice says: Copyright (C) 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Copyright (C) 1994, 1995 Sun Microsystems, Inc. Copyright (C) 1995, 1996 Ben Wing. Is this a problem and if so how to solve it? Yours -- %% Mats _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Re: xemacs 15 years, 8 months

Vin Shelton

I guess you don't have the X devel packages installed. I don't know which distribution you're running, but for me on ubuntu the relevant packages are things like: libx11-dev. HTH, Vin PS. Please include the xemacs-beta list on any follow-ups. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM, William Estrada <MrUmunhum(a)popdial.com> wrote: > Vin, > > I just downloaded the stable version of xemacs. Do configure, make, make > install. > When I run it, it will not open a new X window but runs on the current tty > window. > I don't see any options to force it to run in X. > > Any ideas? > > -- > William Estrada > MrUmunhum(a)popdial.com > Mt-Umunhum-Wireless.net ( http://64.124.13.3 ) > Ymessenger: MrUmunhum > > > _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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is mail-host-address set automatically 15 years, 8 months

Uwe Brauer

Hello This seems odd, running (K)ubuntu 8.04 and xemacs 21.4.21 it seems that mail-host-address is set automatically to the name of the machine as specified in /etc/hosts. However in (K)ubuntu 6.01 and 21.4.19 that is not true the variable is nil. Any explanation, or something in me systems setting in /etc is not correct? Uwe Brauer _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Procedure for adding new packages? 15 years, 8 months

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Hi, Is there a procedure or checklist for adding new things to XEmacs Packages? Yours -- %% Mats _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Why I attempted to port dired/VC from emacs 15 years, 8 months

Rodney Sparapani

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Could you post to xemacs-beta what your reasons are for porting Dired > and VC? On the one, Ville has already ported VC, although I think > it's still in prerelease. On the other, this is the first that I've > heard that our Dired is falling behind, although I believe it as Mike > hasn't done much with Dired in a couple of years. CC Mike > <mike(a)xemacs.org> and Ville <scop(a)xemacs.org>. Be as brief as you > like, but it would be nice to let those guys know there's serious > demand for certain features out there. Don't expect quick action from > Mike though; he's doing the "new daddy" thing. :-) > > Steve > Hi Guys: I have been looking for a replacement of psvn for a while since it's not an xemacs package. I was pretty happy to see vc with svn support come out. However, I have had trouble getting vc-dired, or whatever it is called, working (you probably gathered this from my frenzy of bug reports, especially issue 491). I tried debugging this myself and I did make some progress before I hit the wall. So, I installed the latest emacs to see what was going wrong. I got the impression that the differences have more to do with dired than vc. However, it is very hard to tell since the sources have diverged so much. I wanted a version of dired and vc as close to emacs as possible to see if I could see where the subtle differences are (and fix them). The first part I have accomplished. I've got vc-dired working from emacs sources and I think there is only 1 change to the sources. The second part is somewhat of a work in progress. I'm still fixing subtle bugs, but vc-dired does work with svn. One problem is that I don't have much experience with vc to realize what's still missing. This is a bit of a digression, but I had to do alot of hacking. There was only 1 change in the sources for vc and dired themselves, but I needed to grab code chunks from other emacs sources. One thing that has occurred to me. If we ported all of the emacs lisp sources, much of this would be unnecessary. And then, it would just be back to dired and vc which would be largely unchanged. For example, there are code-chunks needed from bindings.el, byte-run.el, dnd.el, indent.el, log-edit.el, subr.el, simple.el, view.el and all of desktop.el and diff.el (although, this last file might be unnecessary or even foolhardy). There is a file of changes on issue 491, but it is out-of-date now. Perhaps this is already part of your plans. I know the GPLv3 thing has been discussed and appears to be near resolution. If there was a "committee" that would split up these emacs sources and do some porting, I would be willing to do my part. However, I'm no expert on mercurial and patches give me headaches. One last thought. This may help other ports like comint as well. The recent port of comint from emacs to xemacs wreaked havoc here. Maybe it is because the gap is getting to wide to breach. After the port was reverted, everything is back to normal. There are more hackers on the emacs side, so it would be to our benefit if we were more source-code compliant. I'm no software expert so perhaps these are ravings. It certainly would be helpful for dired and vc. -- Rodney Sparapani Center for Patient Care & Outcomes Research (PCOR) Sr. Biostatistician http://www.mcw.edu/pcor 4 wheels good, 2 wheels better! Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) WWLD?: What Would Lombardi Do? Milwaukee, WI, USA _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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the greek fonts used in Mule are very small: xemacs can display bigger fonts 15 years, 8 months

Uwe Brauer

Hello I think I complained about this some time ago, without solving the problem. Uisng Kubuntu 8.04, Xemacs 21.4.21 Mule, I see basically two type of greek fonts, the once produced by the quail input method: Font A α σ δ φ γ η ξ κ λ ζ χ ψ ω β ν μ · ς ε ρ τ υ θ ι ο π And the once I just copied from wikipedia directly into this buffer Font B Αα Alpha Νν Nu Ββ Beta Ξξ Xi Γγ Gamma Οο Omicron Δδ Delta Ππ Pi Εε Epsilon Ρρ Rho Ζζ Zeta Σσ Sigma Ηη Eta Ττ Tau Θθ Theta Υυ Upsilon Ιι Iota Φφ Phi Κκ Kappa Χχ Chi Λλ Lambda Ψψ Psi Μμ Mu Ωω Omega All of them save the end sigma which cannot be displayed the look by far nicer, I hesitate to send a screen shot, but it might be that the mailing system will not distinguish between these to set of chars, at least the look to me in that buffer different. So the question is how can I configure quail so that it uses the second type of fonts. The funny thing is, I opened greek.el and in the quail input rules \alpha is displayed using the big font B. However when I select the input method greek in the buffer appear chars displayed using font A. I am confused. Is it ok to send a screen shot? Regards Uwe Brauer _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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