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Re: 28 bit ought to be enough for anyone. 25 years, 10 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas(a)pdc.kth.se> writes: Simon> Since my lack of knowledge of XEmacs internals prevents me Simon> from doing it properly, I just wanted bignums for doing Simon> some authentication/encryption stuff. The `calc' package Simon> will be enough for me until I want performance. In this Simon> case, a native bignum implementation or a elisp-library Simon> that uses GMP is equally good for my purposes. Or you could call out to an external program to do the math, couldn't you? That's not hard to do.

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[bug] Editting gzipped files broken. 25 years, 10 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

I get an error about a bad CRC when I try to view a manual page that I just editted. It's a compressed file, and I've got XEmacs set up to do the auto compression thing. It's compiled with file codeing... could it be an interaction with that?

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Re: gnus mail borken under cygwin 25 years, 10 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: > I use smtpmail for sending mail and gnus nnfloder for reading mlist > stuff. If I do M-x mail and send some mail, all works fine. If I do > this from gnus it says it is sending it , but I don't get the usual > smtp exchange in the echo area and the mail is not actually sent (my > apologies to those who might have thought I was being more > antisocial than usual). > > I'm guessing others aren't seeing this - so maybe its some > interaction with smtpmail? Have you set `message-send-mail-function' to something smtp-specific? -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Idle RAM is the Devil's playground.

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gnus mail borken under cygwin 25 years, 10 months

Andy Piper

I use smtpmail for sending mail and gnus nnfloder for reading mlist stuff. If I do M-x mail and send some mail, all works fine. If I do this from gnus it says it is sending it , but I don't get the usual smtp exchange in the echo area and the mail is not actually sent (my apologies to those who might have thought I was being more antisocial than usual). I'm guessing others aren't seeing this - so maybe its some interaction with smtpmail? andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

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[Success] XEmacs 21.0b53 Erzgeberg on i686, hpux, linuxppc 25 years, 10 months

Nobu Toge

Patched up from b51, thru b52. Builds and runs fine with mule/canna support. i686: DELL XPS333 running linux 2.0.35 (RH 4.2). egcs-2.90.29 980515 (egcs-1.0.3 release) binutils-2.8.1.0.1-1 GNU Make version 3.75 hpux: HP 735 running HPUX 9.0.5 gcc 2.8.1 GNU Make version 3.76.1 linuxppc: PowerMac 7500/604/150 running linux 2.1.24 (linuxppc) egcs-2.90.29 980515 (egcs-1.0.3 release) binutils-2.8.1.0.18-1E GNU Make version 3.76.1 -- Nobu Toge (toge(a)accad1.kek.jp) uname -a: Linux lcdev.kek.jp 2.0.35 #3 Thu Jul 16 13:29:42 JST 1998 i686 unknown ./configure '--with-mule' '--with-canna' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--with-tty=yes' '--package-path=/usr/local/lib/xemacspack' XEmacs 21.0 "Erzgeberg" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Where should the build process find the source code? /home/toge/NONRH/XEmacs21.0/xemacs-21.0-b44 What installation prefix should install use? /usr/local What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes (Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the Linux C Library.) Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG image handling. Compiling in support for (builtin) GIF image handling. Compiling in support for JPEG image handling. Compiling in support for TIFF image handling. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files. Using Lisp_Objects with minimal tagbits. uname -a: HP-UX accad1 A.09.05 A 9000/735 2005266055 two-user license ./configure 'hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05' '--dynamic=yes' '--prefix=/usr/local' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-xface' '--with-tty=yes' '--site-includes=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/2.8.1/include /usr/local/canna/include' '--error-checking=none' '--with-jpeg' '--with-xpm' '--with-sound=no' '--with-mule' '--with-canna' '--with-xfs' '--with-database=no' '--with-x' '--cflags=-pipe -mpa-risc-1-1 -mschedule=7100 -mjump-in-delay -funroll-loops -O5' '--package-path=/usr/local/lib/xemacspack' '--with-dragndrop=no' XEmacs 21.0 "Erzgeberg" configured for `hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05'. Where should the build process find the source code? /users4/toge/HPUX/XEmacs210/xemacs-21.0-b44 What installation prefix should install use? /usr/local What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/hpux9-shr.h' and `m/hp800.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -pipe -mpa-risc-1-1 -mschedule=7100 -mjump-in-delay -funroll-loops -O5 Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/include/Motif1.2 /usr/local/X11R6/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/lib/Motif1.2 /usr/lib/X11R6 Additional header files: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/2.8.1/include /usr/local/canna/include Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG image handling. Compiling in support for (builtin) GIF image handling. Compiling in support for JPEG image handling. Compiling in support for TIFF image handling. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using Motif to provide XIM support. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files. uname -a: Linux ptaro.kek.jp 2.1.24 #122 Thu Apr 9 10:27:39 EST 1998 ppc unknown ./configure '--dynamic=yes' '--error-checking=none' '--debug=no' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-site-lisp' '--prefix=/usr' '--with-xfs' '--with-canna' '--with-mule' '--package-path=/usr/lib/xemacspack' '--with-x' '--with-png' XEmacs 21.0 "Erzgeberg" configured for `powerpc-unknown-linux'. Where should the build process find the source code? /home/toge/XEmacs20/xemacs-21.0-b47 What installation prefix should install use? /usr What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/powerpc.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG image handling. Compiling in support for (builtin) GIF image handling. Compiling in support for JPEG image handling. Compiling in support for TIFF image handling. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files.

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Re: Macros: Scheme vs Common Lisp 25 years, 10 months

Michael Sperber

>>>>> "Craig" == Craig Lanning <CraigL(a)internetx.net> writes: Craig> At 02:00 PM 8/19/98 +0200, Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote: >>>>>>> "Holger" == Holger Schauer <schauer(a)coling.uni-freiburg.de> writes: Holger> Which is of course possible if you use packages in CL ;-) >> >> Yeah, if I use explicit qualification, which amounts to not using the >> package system at all. Craig> No it doesn't. It's a very important part of the package system. Craig> How about this? Craig> (defpackage pkg1 (:export foo)) Craig> (in-package :pkg1) Craig> (setq bar 23) ; could be (defvar bar 23) Craig> (defmacro foo () 'bar) Craig> (defpackage pkg2 (:use pkg1 cl)) Craig> (in-package :pkg2) Craig> (let ((bar 42)) (foo)) Can you elaborate what this does? Under CLISP, this yields: #<PACKAGE PKG1> Also, I couldn't find anything offhand in CLtL2 about the interaction of macros and packages. Admittedly, I've been too lazy to dig up the ANSI spec. >> So what's the politically correct way to define top-level bindings >> which are not special in Common Lisp? Craig> Why would you want them? The problem with dynamic binding in Common Lisp is that a special declaration makes a name be dynamically bound everywhere. So, when I just look at a LET locally, I cannot tell whether it's a static or a dynamic binding because a special declaration may be lurking somewhere else without my knowing. I use global variables all the time without wanting dynamic scope for them. Unfortunately, declaring such a variable in Common Lisp (if I understand you right) automatically changes the meaning of all other LET bindings for the same name, even though they, by intention, have nothing to do with the global variables. Of course, this mechanism is necessary to keep compatibility with older Lisps. From a fresher perspective, I conjecture it would be better to make dynamic scoping explicit everywhere by introducing extra binding and reference operators. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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Re: Macros: Scheme vs Common Lisp 25 years, 10 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

Is it possible to use multiple obarrays, and use them like packages or modules? I thought about this a little bit... I wonder if it could work something like keymaps, how they inherit. If you intern a symbol in two different obarrays, are they `eq' then? So there's only one symbol actually allocated, and two obarrays, and an entry in each obarray for that symbol. An obarray seems kind of like a scheme environment, only global... Obviously I need to just continue reading and learning about this sort of thing.

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session managment usage string 25 years, 10 months

Didier Verna

--without-session Compile without realized leader window which will keep the WM_COMMAND property. Required for proper session-management. I think the leader window is needed for proper session management, not the option, right ?

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local and networked X connections 25 years, 10 months

Didier Verna

I'm trying to track my long-standing core dump in make-frame-on-display, and I'm getting a bit confused with the concepts of console and device connection under X. My machine is called metheny: xemacs -vanilla M-x (find-device "metheny:0") => #<x-device blahb;ah> M-x (find-device ":0") => nil M-x (find-console "metheny:0") => #<x-device blahb;ah> M-x (find-console ":0") => nil Isn't there something bogus here ? While I can understand that local X devices (with unix sockets) are different from networked one, I can hardly understand why the last call returns nil. Please enlighten my soul. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Some of Will Clinger's Publications 25 years, 10 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/will/papers.html There's a good paper about hygenic macros available here. It's in .tex... the "acmconf" file that it needs to be latexed was easy to find using altavista. :-)

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