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Mule-UCS and the Euro sign. 19 years, 10 months

Aidan Kehoe

Hi! I’ve been seeing the same problem with Mule-UCS and the Euro sign as was Mike Fabian back in 2002, ever since I started using Mule-UCS: http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200209/msg00465.html --the Euro sign wasn’t being encoded correctly. On further investigation, it turned out that the Unicode mapping for any character set beyond the seventh, in the list of 31 in the Mule UCS sources, wasn’t happening. The source version of Mule-UCS in the Sumo tarball and in the packages directory is 0.84. Now, when I downloaded Mule-UCS-0.84.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.m17n.org/pub/mule/Mule-UCS/, byte compiled it (using the mucs-comp.el build script), put its lisp/ subdirectory first in my load-path, and then evaluated (require 'un-define), the translation for those characters worked fine. (Example; (ucs-to-char #20ac) gave nil with the XEmacs Mule-UCS package, a char that split to (latin-iso8859-15 36) with the upstream version.) So, it’s a problem with the process for building the package. I’ve checked out the packages/ CVS module, but am having trouble following the instructions in INSTALL for building a single package, or indeed any package; for the latter case, I copied Local.rules.template to Local.rules, called make, and got this: salvatore[ gmake meta-iterate.rules:30: /Sources/packages/meta-targets.rules: No such file or directory meta-iterate.rules:34: /Sources/packages/iterate-1.rules: No such file or directory gmake: *** No rule to make target `/Sources/packages/iterate-1.rules’. Stop. salvatore[ For the single package, it says to “cd ./xemacs-packages/bbdb” --there’s no such directory in the packages/ source tree that I can see. Can anyone point me towards some more docs on building the packages? Bye, enjoy your weekends, - Aidan -- “Ah come on now Ted, a Volkswagen with a mind of its own, driving all over the place and going mad, if that’s not scary I don’t know what is.”

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Backporting byte-compile warning suppress stuff 19 years, 10 months

Ben Wing

What do people think of backporting the stuff in 21.5 that allows for well-behaved control over byte-compilation warnings?

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xemacs-beta@xemacs.org mailing list reminder 19 years, 10 months

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Re: Request for developer access. 19 years, 10 months

Aidan Kehoe

Ar an naoiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe <kehoea(a)parhasard.net> writes: > > Aidan> - Add a default binding for manual-entry under Unix. (For > Aidan> a few years there, it was the one entry in my init.el I > Aidan> could least forego, and I would most have liked to be able > Aidan> to take out.) > > I think the current "binding", which abbreviates nicely to "M-x man", > is very natural and reasonably economical. Six keystrokes (Alt, x, m, a, n, RET) vs, three for C-h C-m? (You only have to press control once.) Bear in mind too, that people on BSD and many of the commercial Unixes tend to use man pages a lot more because the lesser influence from the gratuitous FSF incompatibility of Info means they’re _useful._ > If you have enhancements, such that you might have (say) a man minor > mode that knows about MANPATH, apropos(1), whatis(1), etc, that would > be another matter. *exhales* ... this is what I have, and it’s very old, from before I cared about getting lisp right, only about getting it running: (defun apropos-man-page () "Run the Unix apropos command, outputting to an Emacs buffer." (interactive) (let ((val (read-from-minibuffer "Keyword: "))) (shell-command (concat "apropos " val) "*apropos-man-page*"))) (global-set-key "\C-cm" 'manual-entry) (global-set-key "\C-ca" 'apropos-man-page) I can put something more comprehensive together--even looking at man.el now, it seems that if you start the argument to manual-entry with “-k” it’ll do the apropos thing automatically. > C-h C-m is currently unused, though, so if there's a lot of interest > in this that would be reasonable. However, that really should be > coordinated with GNU Emacs if possible. If possible. -- “Ah come on now Ted, a Volkswagen with a mind of its own, driving all over the place and going mad, if that’s not scary I don’t know what is.”

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[Bug: 21.5-b18] C-h C-f 19 years, 10 months

Giacomo Boffi

================================================================ Dear Bug Team! e.g., after "C-h C-f outline-mode RET" i am told Searching index for `outline-mode'... No "outline-mode" in index while in FSF i'm sprung into the appropriate info page ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux boffi95 2.6.7-1-386 #1 Thu Jul 8 05:08:04 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--extra-verbose' '--rel-alloc' '--with-widgets' '--with-athena=3d' '--pdump' '--with-wmcommand=no' '--with-sound=no' '--use-number-lib=gmp' '--with-mule' '--with-xfs' '--with-modules' XEmacs 21.5-b18 "chestnut" (+CVS-20050103) configured for `i686-pc-linux'. 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Re: Cannot build 21.4.16 under cygwin (gcc 3.3.3) 19 years, 10 months

Henry S. Thompson

Jason Tishler writes: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:02:20PM +0000, Henry S. Thompson wrote: >> Jason Tishler writes: >> > If you get any errors due to DLLs being in-use or read-only, >> > then take the appropriate action and rerun rebaseall. >> > Otherwise, you run the risk of fork() failing. >> >> /sur/bin/cygncurses++6.dll: new base = 6f270000, new sizeReBaseImage (/usr/bin/cygpcre-0.dll) failed with last error = 6 >> =40000 > > We have the following: > > $ fgrep 6L /usr/include/w32api/winerror.h | head -1 > #define ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE 6L > > A winerror 6 during rebasing usually means the file is open. > >> I reinstalled cygpcre, but it's not implicated in the xemacs pblm (I >> don't think . . .) > > It's generally best to successfully rebase all of you DLLs. I would try > to resolve your cygpcre-0.dll issue. I have done so, no improvement. . . >> > BTW, you may want to run rebaseall with the -v (i.e., verbose) flag >> > to verify you haven't run out of address space. For example, if >> > some of your DLL are rebased to near 0x61000000 or below, then you >> > are likely to have problems. >> >> I think that was all OK. > > The problem with "-v" is that error messages will scroll off the screen. > I recommend catching the output and grep-ing through it to make sure all > is really OK. Understood, I did that. >> Net result: xemacs-21.4.16 compiled with gcc-3.3.3 still crashes with >> "couldn't reserve . . ." > > Maybe your problem is not related to rebasing? Well, except that if I carefully rebase cygwin1.dll itself, then I _can_ build xemacs. . . But of course then I'm stuck with other code that won't run because of the two-different-bases problem. Anyway, thanks _very_ much for your help, it sounds like the xemacs folks are really where this needs to be solved. Point is, this is a regression -- xemacs-21.4.15 works OK (mind you, I haven't tried recompiling it with gcc-3.3.3). ht -- Henry S. Thompson, HCRC Language Technology Group, University of Edinburgh Half-time member of W3C Team 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht(a)inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail really from me _always_ has this .sig -- mail without it is forged spam]

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xemacs cvs head fails to compile in win32 and cygwin (with fix) 19 years, 10 months

Alejandro López-Valencia

Today I'm trying to compile CVS HEAD with mule support under cygwin. Dumping fails due to a typo in lisp/dumped-lisp.el (that affects native win32 builds as well), please find a little patch at the end of the message to fix the problem. Otherwise, it compiles and works without a hitch. Keep up the good work. --- lisp/dumped-lisp.el 2005-01-08 13:17:36.015625000 -0500 +++ lisp/dumped-lisp.el~ 2005-01-08 13:16:18.062500000 -0500 ＠＠ -168,7 +168,7 ＠＠ (when (featurep '(and mule x)) "mule/mule-x-init") (when (featurep '(and mule tty)) "mule/mule-tty-init") (when (and (featurep 'mule) (memq system-type '(windows-nt cygwin32))) - "mule/mule-win32-init") + "mule-mule/win32-init") "code-init" ; set up defaults ;; All files after this can have extended characters in them. (when (featurep 'mule) -- Alejandro López-Valencia http://dradul.tripod.com/ Lo que Natura non da, Salamanca non presta. Francisco Quevedo y Villegas

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recent openssh lossage 19 years, 10 months

Jamie Zawinski

So, you're probably aware that OpenSSH changed the default for ssh connections to use "untrusted" connections by default (unless you add "ForwardX11Trusted yes" to ~/.ssh/config, as anyone sane will now do.) However, it took me a while to figure this out: the visible effect that this change had on xemacs was to make it impossible to paste to/from ssh-tunneled xemacsen. Apparently the new "untrusted" mode has a side effect something like making XGetProperty not work. So what would be nice would be if xemacs would notice that it was failing because of the "Security" extension and provide a better error message than "no selection" (or whatever it says now.) Perhaps there's some way to tell the security extension that "yes, selection transfers should still be allowed anyway"? I can't make much sense of it, but the protocol spec seems to be hinting that such things are possible? http://davinci01.man.ac.uk/aix433/x11/specs/pdf/security.htm http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.13 -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/ http://jwz.livejournal.com/

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Problem using Xemacs on Fedora Core 3... 19 years, 10 months

ghoyos＠laas.fr

Hello: I have installed Xemacs 21.4.16 and 21.5.18 in my PC running Fedora Core 3, and in both cases I get the same situation. When I execute the "xemacs" command in the command line, I get that Xemacs starts in text mode instead of graphical mode (just as if I had executed it using the "-nw" command line flag). When I try to execute it by clicking on the icon, it simple does not start. I have also tried to install the old version 21.4.5, which is installed and running fine in my old RedHat 7.2 computer, but in that case what I get is the compilation process aborted. Can you please help me in this problem? Thanks in advance and best regards.

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Re: Request for developer access. 19 years, 10 months

Aidan Kehoe

Ar an séiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Mike Kupfer: > [...] Btw, I only got that mail, 200501070128.j071S45H131597(a)athyra.eng.sun.com and its followup once each, so it looks like something is still fuсking with the CCs on the list. -- “Ah come on now Ted, a Volkswagen with a mind of its own, driving all over the place and going mad, if that’s not scary I don’t know what is.”

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