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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > Too bad. Let me summarize: in that case, we read ~/.emacs, and what is > the custom file ? Also ~/.emacs. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #15 Your pet rock snaps at you.

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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes: > >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > Hrvoje> Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > >> - What's the status of the .xemacs directory for 21.0 ? I'd be sad > >> if it's not gonna make it. > > Hrvoje> It's not gonna make it. The people who are interested in that sort of > Hrvoje> thing (I am not one of them) simply haven't put any effort into making > Hrvoje> it work. Sorry. > > I didn't even know ~/.xemacs was supposed to be anything other than a > package hierarchy. It was supposed to keep all the user's data. The intentions were fine, but the implementation was only half-cooked. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

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Re: Outstanding hot issues. Was[ Re: is `-name' functional?] 26 years, 6 months

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > The problem was created by some *introducing* the `.xemacs/' dir > prematurely. Somethimes trying whether it works is a good option IMHO. In fact the fact that nobody upto know seems to have noticed that we are still using it looks to me like it isn't that broken :-). The major version jump would have been a good time to do it alas. Jan P.S. My .emacs looks like (if (< emacs-major-version 20) (load (expand-file-name "~/.emacs.19")) (setq user-init-directory "~/.xemacs") (setq custom-file "~/.xemacs/options.el") ;; (packages-find-packages '("/u/scratch/jvsoft/beta/lib/xemacs/packages") nil t) (load "~/.xemacs/init") (load "~/.xemacs/options.el"))

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[Q] Does function-menu work ... 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

for you in LaTeX buffers ? I always get "no functions found".

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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Michael Sperber

>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: Hrvoje> Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: >> - What's the status of the .xemacs directory for 21.0 ? I'd be sad >> if it's not gonna make it. Hrvoje> It's not gonna make it. The people who are interested in that sort of Hrvoje> thing (I am not one of them) simply haven't put any effort into making Hrvoje> it work. Sorry. I didn't even know ~/.xemacs was supposed to be anything other than a package hierarchy. It shouldn't be, so I'm totally for all the extraneous chickenshit going away. -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > > > - What's the status of the .xemacs directory for 21.0 ? I'd be sad > > if it's not gonna make it. > > It's not gonna make it. The people who are interested in that sort of > thing (I am not one of them) simply haven't put any effort into making > it work. Sorry. Too bad. Let me summarize: in that case, we read ~/.emacs, and what is the custom file ? There's an issue here regarding the customization of the options menu, and the possible function we may provide to convert the former .xemacs-options -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: Outstanding hot issues. Was[ Re: is `-name' functional?] 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > So while I have seen patches striking it from the documentations we > still use the .xemacs dir! I'll try to fix it by 21.0. The problem was created by some *introducing* the `.xemacs/' dir prematurely. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "I came here to chew bubble gum and to kick ass... and I'm all out of ass." -- Crow, MST3K #519 ("Outlaw")

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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Jan Vroonhof

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > > Yes, but what about init.el and options.el ? Try M-x find-function RET load-user-init-file RET `load-user-init-file' is a compiled Lisp function -- loaded from "/scratch/vroonhof/cvs/xemacs-20/lisp/startup.elc" (load-user-init-file INIT-FILE-USER) Documentation: This function actually reads the init files. First try .xemacs/init, then try .emacs, but only load one of the two. ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | +---- !!!!!!!!!!! and (defcustom custom-file (if (boundp 'user-init-directory) (concat "~" init-file-user user-init-directory "options.el") "~/.emacs") "File used for storing customization information.\n If you change this from the default \"~/.emacs\" you need to\nexplicitly load that file for the settings to take effect." :type 'file :group 'customize) Note the wrong docstring.

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Re: Outstanding hot issues. Was[ Re: is `-name' functional?] 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > I just had a look the code again (I have code in .emacs to load > .xemacs/init.el so I don't notice it before.) But currently XEmacs > prefers .xemacs/init.el when it is present. Secondly the default value > of custom-file is ~/.xemacs/options.el ! > > So while I have seen patches striking it from the documentations we > still use the .xemacs dir! That's exactly the kind of things that worried me :-/

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Re: is `-name' functional? 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > * `-name foo' has nothing to do with application class. The two are > quite orthogonal, only in some (rare) circumstances they overlap. OK. Now that we're supposed to clean things up, let's arise some questions again: - What's the status of the .xemacs directory for 21.0 ? I'd be sad if it's not gonna make it. - Sorry but I still think that this mess about the application class is *evil* *Evil* *EVIL* __EVIL__. We can't possibly be the only app in the whole universe to decide dynamically on the Xt class, and pretend we're right. There're already so many things confusing people about X resources. Let's not add one more. - Sorry again ;-) but I still think that the modeline shouldn't have the same default as the default face, and shouldn't be affected by the -bg option. Although not implemented exactly this way, the modeline *is* a widget and should look like the menubar, the scrollbars and the dividers by default. Enough ranting for the day. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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