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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > `.xemacs/' was never used in a released XEmacs version. > > .xemacs/ is recognized as a user package directory if it exists in > both 20.3 and 20.4. ...which is fine. I meant `.xemacs/' as a directory prefix for random initialization files. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > This is turning into an xemacs-beta FAQ. No specific decision was > > ever made. `.xemacs/' was never used in a released XEmacs version. > > Nor was ".xemacs-custom" BTW. Your point being? To reiterate: current behaviour (with my patches) equals 20.4 behaviour. It is far from perfect, but it's not obviously broken, either. The behaviour before my patches was obviously broken. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Listen, kid, we're all in it together!" -- Harry Tuttle in _Brazil_

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Oliver Graf

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > `.xemacs/' was never used in a released XEmacs version. > > .xemacs/ is recognized as a user package directory if it exists in both 20.3 > and 20.4. I think the .xemacs/{init.el,options.el} was a good idea and should make it into 21.1. This makes also a clear cut from stallmacs (separate config files -- for those weird guys who use both). Just my opinion... Regards, Oliver.

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XEmacs 21.0 final and DnD 26 years, 6 months

Oliver Graf

Hi there! Should I add some hooks to disable the changes to DnD for the release of 21.0? This would revert the interface to the state it was for 20.4 (well, pretty borken..). But perhaps we can leave it inside, cause it will hopefully cause no harm? Regards, Oliver.

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes: > > Finally, this decision is not final. It is only a strategic > > drawback before the impending release. > > It was judged not yet ready for prime time, and that's fine with me. > I do hope we revisit this, because I rather liked having everything > in the .xemacs directory. Yup. If you contribute ideas and code at the beginning of the 21.1 cycle, I will raise no objections to it. > So let me get this straight. This is how the real 21.0 is supposed > to work. > > 1. customize (and "save options") saves its stuff in .emacs Yup. This is how 20.4 worked. > 2. XEmacs loads only .emacs (./xemacs/init.el is gone, and .xemacs > and .xemacs.el never existed.) Officially, yes. Unofficially, it loads `.xemacs/init.el' if present, but that's unsupported and undocumented. I have no objections to that. > 3. There is no options.el Right. All that stuff is (once again) getting saved to `.emacs'. This is a drawback from the times of 20.4, but hopefully we'll settle it for 21.1 once and for all. It's a shame we didn't get around to doing it for 21.0, but no good will come from lamenting about it. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Unspeakable horrors from outer space paralyze the living and resurrect the dead!

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

David Bush

Michael D. Harnois wrote: > > david.bush(a)adn.alcatel.com (David Bush) writes: > > > I'm confused on this. The Xemacs 20.3 that I use at work puts the options > > into ~/.xemacs_options, not into .emacs. Did this change at 20.4? > > No, it changed with the current beta. That's what I'm still a bit > perplexed about. I really don't care where it is, just so that a > significant change like this appears in the beta announcement. > A mojor part of my professional life is dealing with installation and upgrade issues. One cardinal rule: You _Do Not_ automatically edit a users dot type profile of any type! Putting automatically generated information inot the .emacs file will squander all you hope to achieve with this major release. david

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Raymond Toy

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Yup. If you contribute ideas and code at the beginning of the 21.1 > cycle, I will raise no objections to it. When it comes up again, I'll do my best to do something about it. Haven't been too active lately but I was more back in the early 19.x days, when I was single and a professional student and had lots more time. > Officially, yes. Unofficially, it loads `.xemacs/init.el' if present, > but that's unsupported and undocumented. I have no objections to > that. I find this kind of yucky, but since I now have init.el, I don't really want to go back. > This is a drawback from the times of 20.4, but hopefully we'll settle > it for 21.1 once and for all. It's a shame we didn't get around to > doing it for 21.0, but no good will come from lamenting about it. Forward Ho! Ray

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Xemacs on Windows 26 years, 6 months

David Fout

I just wanted to get a beta copy of Xemacs on Windows. I looked into the FAQ, etc.. and could not figure out how. It told me to join this list, and I've already gotten 20 messages today. a.) How can I get a beta copy for the PC? b.) Is there a way to digest this list? Thanks. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <> David G. Fout Phone: (301) 953-3330 <> <> Century Computing Phone: (410) 792-4634 <> <> 8101 Sandy Spring Road Fax: (301) 953-2368 <> <> Suite 200 Email: dfout(a)cen.com <> <> Laurel, MD 20707 URL: http://www.cen.com/ <> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: initialization of frame info 26 years, 6 months

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Then, use something like: > > (load (startup-choose "init-early.el" ".xemacs-early")) If you like that you can modify the suggestion I just posted to (setq user-early-init-file (or (locate-library "init-early" nil early-package-load-path) (concat "~" init-file-user ".xemacs-early))) (load user-early-init-file t t t) Although personally I prefer ./xemacs/lisp/ over a whole suite of files anyday Jan

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

SL Baur

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > `.xemacs/' was never used in a released XEmacs version. .xemacs/ is recognized as a user package directory if it exists in both 20.3 and 20.4.

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