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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Oliver Graf

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Rebecca Ore <rebecca.ore(a)op.net> writes: > > > Right would be to have a .xemacs file, > > That would be definitely wrong, if we ever plan to introduce a > `.xemacs/' directory. Confusing `.emacs' and `.xemacs/init.el' and > the various options is bad enough; if we add `.xemacs' as a *file* > into the picture, it's going to get *really* bad. Then the right way would be: 1) Look if there is a .emacs and use it if it is found 2) Look for a directory .xemacs/ and if it is found use init.el and options.el from this path 3) If nothing is found, create the .xemacs/ path and files (well, we are XEmacs) If case 2) or 3) is used, everything is fine, and the XEmacs config structure can be used. If the .emacs is found and used, than it must also put the customs into it, cause thats the way the gnu guys do it (is this correct?). Another possible way: Always use .xemacs/*, and only use .emacs if argv[0] is 'emacs'! Regards, Oliver.

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

"Kirill M. Katsnelson" <kkm(a)kis.ru> writes: > Some time ago, Hrvoje Niksic wrote... > |+ > | "Kirill M. Katsnelson" <kkm(a)kis.ru> writes: > | > | > Some time ago, Hrvoje Niksic wrote... > | > |+ > | > | Officially, yes. Unofficially, it loads `.xemacs/init.el' if present, > | > | but that's unsupported and undocumented. > | > |- > | > > | > Btw, when? > | > | When, what? > > At which time does XEmacs load init.el? At the same time at which `.emacs' would otherwise be loaded. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Union break!

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

David Bush

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> wrote: > > david.bush(a)adn.alcatel.com (David Bush) writes: > > > I'm confused on this. The Xemacs 20.3 that I use at work puts the > > options into ~/.xemacs_options, not into .emacs. Did this change at > > 20.4? > > No, the Custom options have been saved into `.emacs'. 20.3 had a > separate mechanism for saving options which was loaded from > `.xemacs-options', using specialized code in `.emacs'. > > Beginning with a few betas ago, the options code has been rewritten to > always use Custom, so `.xemacs-option' died. Thanks, now I have a more or less complete picture. I've never seen 20.4 and came into the beta late so I missed all the fun :-) david

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

"Kirill M. Katsnelson" <kkm(a)kis.ru> writes: > Some time ago, Hrvoje Niksic wrote... > |+ > | Officially, yes. Unofficially, it loads `.xemacs/init.el' if present, > | but that's unsupported and undocumented. > |- > > Btw, when? When, what? -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #15 Your pet rock snaps at you.

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Rebecca Ore <rebecca.ore(a)op.net> writes: > Right would be to have a .xemacs file, That would be definitely wrong, if we ever plan to introduce a `.xemacs/' directory. Confusing `.emacs' and `.xemacs/init.el' and the various options is bad enough; if we add `.xemacs' as a *file* into the picture, it's going to get *really* bad. > perhaps, or is there some reason to stay current with .emacs. See above... > I can see someone with a carefully customized Gnus Emacs .emacs file > being really unhappy if XEmacs rewrites that file without warning. Good point. My mind is not set on that one. > As I'm currently being e-grenaded or sniped (bomb is too dramatic a > word, but it's like one a minute) by someone who doesn't like > protests to isps of email spam, I might be a bit distracted tonight. Good luck! -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Silence!" cries Freydag. "I did not call thee in for a consultation!" "They are my innards! I will not have them misread by a poseur!"

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes: > I regret not having followed the decision not to use .xemacs/ > anymore. > > However, since the decision has been made not to use .xemacs/, but > .emacs instead, I'm getting confused. Are customizations going to be > stored in .emacs now? What happened to the use of .xemacs (or was > that .xemacs.el) to hold XEmacs startup code? Current behavior (b41) > shows that .xemacs/init.el is still read. This is turning into an xemacs-beta FAQ. No specific decision was ever made. `.xemacs/' was never used in a released XEmacs version. Customizations aren't stored to `.emacs' "now", they've always been stored to .emacs (and no, I don't like that). I sense that, if I repeat it more, I think I'm gonna scream with frustration. :-( Finally, this decision is not final. It is only a strategic drawback before the impending release. If there is interest, we will revisit the issue of `.xemacs/' in 21.1. This time it should be done right, though. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- * Q: What is an experienced Emacs user? * A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

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Re: XEmacs 21.0 final and DnD 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Oliver Graf <ograf(a)fga.de> writes: > Should I add some hooks to disable the changes to DnD for the > release of 21.0? This would revert the interface to the state it > was for 20.4 (well, pretty borken..). I don't think such hooks are necessary. But please do add warnings that the code is still in a state of flux and that the interface is liable to change (I have some suggestions, but they'll have to wait for 21.1) -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #15 Your pet rock snaps at you.

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Re: custom-file 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > I couldn't care less which one you choose, as long as the default > > behaviour is to NOT create a .xemacs/ directory and ram it down my > > throat. > > Why is creating yet another file in ~/ (i.e. ~/.emacs-customs) to be > prefered over creating a directory? It's not. My point is that I want to have a *choice* whether I want `.xemacs/' or not, and for that choice to be respected. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Jone's law: The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.

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Re: custom file .xemacs and all that jazz. 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > ;; This depends on init-file-user through early-package-path > (setq custom-file (or (locate-library "options" nil > early-package-load-path ) custom-file)) I don't like this. early-package-load-path has a well-defined meaning and is orthogonal to custom-file location. Linking them like this looks like inviting trouble. Also, your code would lose miserably with old `options.el', for instance. > Backwards compatibility (with FSF and 20.4) > a. No ~.xemacs/lisp/init.el => .emacs is used. > b. If customize stuff is in .emacs that gets evalled (of course) > and custom stuff also saved there > > Sensible, 'no suprise' defaults > c. ~/.emacs is still the default when init.el is not there. > [do we want that] I wouldn't want ~/init.el to be evaluated, ever. Is it currently the case? -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth

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Re: .emacs vs .xemacs vs .xemacs.el vs...? 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

david.bush(a)adn.alcatel.com (David Bush) writes: > I'm confused on this. The Xemacs 20.3 that I use at work puts the > options into ~/.xemacs_options, not into .emacs. Did this change at > 20.4? No, the Custom options have been saved into `.emacs'. 20.3 had a separate mechanism for saving options which was loaded from `.xemacs-options', using specialized code in `.emacs'. Beginning with a few betas ago, the options code has been rewritten to always use Custom, so `.xemacs-option' died. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

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