Re: gtk problems not disappearing by themselves

Les> i just now built 21.4.5 and have the same exact problems. is Les> there an interest in fixing the gtk bugs or not? I very interested in having them fixed, but not at the expense of the stability of the 21.4 line. I personally don't have the time, nor the expertise, to work on them, and that also implies that it would take far too much time to judge whether they're "safe" or not. This implies draconian restrictions on the patches I can accept for 21.4. The GTK stuff is explicitly listed as "experimental". What it means is that in practice what gets fixed is what the GTK groks (mostly Bill Perry) feel like working on, and that mostly in the 21.5 line. You might try building 21.5.3 and seeing if that works any better. If you really want the GTK stuff to improve soon (it _is_ on _my_ radar, but it's tagged "Cessna going the other way", and I've got plenty of incoming ICBMs to pay attention to), I would suggest (1) Politely contacting Bill Perry <wmperry(a)aventail.com&gt; and finding out what his plans are. (2) Searching the xemacs-beta and xemacs-buildreports mailing lists for people who post about and/or build the GTK port, and contacting them to see if you can get a circle of active developers and testers started to support Bill. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.