RE: XEmacs 21.4.5 'Civil Service' is released.

-----Original Message----- From: Sent: None To: Matthew Eldridge Cc: xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org; Andy Piper Subject: Re: XEmacs 21.4.5 'Civil Service' is released. c/qi;YLwRmEbt8Y*=j5n(urqY＠chPh＠J'D"QlqD!C8>*}#kYF[-tYl3VZga/HSOP|K,{L Rtu＠f0y/=O&Cu}\:~d|P$JON?pn?j,&CnPb1z#/TL9bkAJwyol&a:SvYj-VYbM=Dtxhk9 =w|R6U3_;SH&B<Mfy6Q%# X-Attribution: APA From: Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) Organization: The XEmacs Project Date: 29 Oct 2001 19:40:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <15325.37541.508938.2012(a)hp4.t-ram.com&gt; Message-ID: <n12ae1cm.fsf(a)ecf.teradyne.com&gt; Lines: 84 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Civil Service (candidate 1)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Sender: 520002458184-0001(a)t-dialin.net Return-Path: Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 18:40:39.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[34C04580:01C160A9] >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Eldridge <eldridge(a)t-ram.com&gt; writes: Hi Matthew! Matthew> Andy Piper writes: >> * XEmacs 21.4.5 "Civil Service (Windows)" is released. "Civil >> Service (Windows)" is the sixth in the OXYMORON series. >> >> The binaries for both cygwin and native MS-Windows are >> available via the XEmacs netinstaller which can be found at >> http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/setup.exe This version of >> the installer is 1.2.2.11.2.3. Matthew> The idea of a netinstaller is nice. Unfortunately, to Matthew> really work well the download process has to be an Matthew> absolute rock. Since XEmacs isn't a microsoft product, Matthew> and nobody is paying for huge gobs of bandwidth from Matthew> conxion or akamai or anybody else to provide excellent Matthew> accessibility, the net installer tends to fall flat on Matthew> its face. People on xemacs-beta: Please report successful installations via netinstaller. It has worked nicely for me a while ago. Matthew> First it starts by giving me a list of 50 places to do Matthew> the download from. I have *no* idea which of them are Matthew> topologically close to me, likely to offer a fast Matthew> download, etc. So I get out a ping tool and hunt around Matthew> see what it looks like I've got a good connection to. Matthew> Then I bravely tell the netinstaller the site I've Matthew> chosen. Matthew> It then grinds for a little before presenting me with a Matthew> list of packages. I can't tell if "all" is selected by Matthew> default, but I guess that it is. There's no "Select All" Matthew> button, so I hit "next" and proceed. Matthew> The netinstaller then throws up a dialog box informing me Matthew> it can't find a package (ada support I think). So I hit Matthew> the "okay" button. Then it tells me it can't find Matthew> another package (auctex I think), so I hit the okay Matthew> button. And this continues, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. What's the site you have chosen? Matthew> Given this irritation, I'd like to make a request. All I Matthew> want to be able to do is connect to a site (or one of 50 Matthew> sites, whatever) with either http or ftp, and download a Matthew> single big honking file (probably 30MB or thereabouts) Matthew> which is a self-contained installer for *everything*. I Matthew> can spare the extra 20MB of disk space for the features Matthew> I'll never use or even know exist. And this would Matthew> eliminate the netinstaller which, at least for me, has Matthew> thus far never worked. How often/when has you tried? Matthew> After all that ranting, I'd like to say that XEmacs is Matthew> tremendous, and I'm extremely thankful that people care Matthew> enough to make the large effort so that it runs natively Matthew> on windows. We depend heavily on detailed technical feedback. That's the way you "pay" for your XEmacs. Best regards, Adrian Matthew> Thanks, Matthew> -Matthew Matthew> -- Matthew> Matthew Eldridge, 408/453-8726 x206 -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/