I apologise in advance if you think I'm a little out of line here. I
possibly could have pulled my punches a bit more than I did, but I
believe it needed to be said.
* Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Steve Youngs writes:
> Am I making you jealous yet? :-)
Of course not. If I haven't switched to SXEmacs yet
No no, didn't want to suggest that you did, and no I didn't take what
you said as any kind of jab. What I was trying to do was to inspire you
guys into action that would lead to XEmacs getting FFI. :-)
>  I've been incredibly lucky in that one of my team (Nelson Ferreira)
> has donated part of his personal storage and bandwidth on Dreamhost
> to the SXEmacs project.
I don't think we'd have any trouble getting donations.
No, I agree, this isn't the problem you face.
It's the effort of moving and reproducing all the services that
have (if of somewhat degraded quality) at Tux, not to mention the
inevitable need for volunteer admins to build up a whole new set of
This is the problem. However, and this is key, it does *NOT* describe
the problem, it *IS* the problem. It's a bunch of excuses, and pretty
weak ones at that, too. XEmacs doesn't need excuses, she needs quick
decisions and actions. Please don't let this get buried for years in go
nowhere "discussions". Get the people, who are directly and immediately
affected, together. Nut out what to do. And do it.
Should you run it by the Review Board? Sure, knock yourself out. But
all you gotta say is: "tux' ftp blows. Unless someone objects in the
next 48 hours, we're moving to xyz".
Am I being melodramatic? I don't know, can you spell "GPLv3"
As for why the excuses are weak...
CVS, last time I looked, is SunSITE.dk, and Mercurial mainline repo is
at that Debian place. I don't know where your issue tracker is, but I
didn't think it was Tux. That leaves mailing lists and ftp.xemacs.org
The mailing lists seem fine for now. The only "problems" I've ever
noticed is your over-zealous spam traps. :-)
The only thing you really need to concern yourself with is ftp. A
one-time set and forget rsync should take care of moving the data. No
new admins will be needed as you, Vin, and Norbert will continue in
your current capacities. And I bet you could even manage with your
current set of personal tools, perhaps with very minor edits to them.
Oh, I forgot www.xemacs.org
. Ah, I have no doubts at all that Adrian
could move the entire site to another host inside 15 minutes (give or
take an hour or so). :-) And that's only if Adrian thinks Tux' web
server is behaving as bad as their ftp. IMO it's not, and I wouldn't
 Email is too slow. Find an IM service you all like and get it done
in real time. Welcome to the 21st century!
 Something that should of taken a maximum of a couple of hours that
is still not done, years later.
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