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XEmacs Services Problem 18 years, 4 months

andrew＠duncanbird.eclipse.co.uk

For information. I recently installed cygwin and then xemacs on a windows xp operating system using the setup.exe programs. I found that xemacs failed because it couldn't find cygtiff3.dll. I copied cygtiff_5.dll to cygtiff3.dll and all works fine. I've no idea if this is due to some error of mine or not and it doesn't worry me but it seemed worth mentioning - just in case it's useful. Andrew Duncan

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AltGr/iso-level3-shift not defined/I-search breakage: potential workaround 18 years, 4 months

Ville Skyttä

When pressing AltGr in XEmacs 21.4.1[56] on my Fedora Core 3 box (Mule, Finnish X keymap, x.org X11 6.8.1), an error is signaled: iso-level3-shift is not defined Additionally, pressing AltGr quits I-search, which is very annoying. GNU Emacs suffers from the same I-search problem, but does not display any errors. I Googled and found some workaround suggestions like: (define-key global-map [(iso-level3-shift)] '#ignore) This "works" in the sense that the error message goes away; however it does not help with the I-search problem which is the important one. But when discussing this in Red Hat Bugzilla, these were found: Apparent root cause: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625 The workaround applied in GNU Emacs: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2004-10/msg00150.html Attached is a workaround patch for XEmacs 21.4.16 which fixes the problem for me (probably applicable to 21.5 too). Could someone review whether this patch is worth applying in XEmacs? Or maybe <X11/keysym.h> should be included in xintrinsic.h before <X11/Intrinsic.h> instead for completeness?

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Re: [S] [C] xemacs-21.5: Fix mule-win32-init typo in dumped-lisp.el 18 years, 4 months

Stephen J. Turnbull

Moving to XEmacs Design. Reply-to set. >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe <kehoea(a)parhasard.net> writes: Aidan> Ar an naoiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Adrian Aichner: >> What's the proper file-coding to use for ChangeLog files to >> handle wide characters? iso-8859-1. Sorry, that's the current standard. (It's Lisp files that are ISO-2022-7.) Fixing this would be straightforward but tedious in XEmacs, could be surprising elsewhere (including older XEmacs ChangeLogs). If you decide to fix it, the way to do it would be to convert all ChangeLogs to utf-8. This requires proofreading (ie, use '(skip-chars-forward "[\000-\177]")' or an equivalent grep to find non-ASCII characters. Then add an entry to file-coding-system-alist for ChangeLog. Probably there should be some hook function as well to check for other coding systems. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

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[Bug: 21.4.15] FTP package index download hangs 18 years, 4 months

Patrick Zanon - Isolcell Italia S.p.A.

================================================================ Dear Bug Team! I am using the XEmacs provided with CYgwin. I triewd to update the packages from internet, but the FTP program hangs. The FTP program works well, however the problem is that my login name is "Patrick Zanon"; this cause a problem to the FTP program when running the command: ls "-la" /tmp/Patrick Zanon giving: usage: ls remote-directory local-file Of course, the problem resides in the command which do not include the "\" just before the space. Any ideas about it? Thanks for any of Your kind help Patrick Zanon ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: CYGWIN_NT-5.0 summer 1.5.7(0.109/3/2) 2004-01-30 19:32 i686 unknown unknown Cygwin /usr/src/xemacs-21.4.15/configure '--pdump' '--srcdir=/usr/src/xemacs-21.4.15' '--prefix=/usr' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--statedir=/var' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.4.15/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--package-path=/usr/local/share/xemacs/site-packages:/usr/share/xemacs/ site-packages:/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages:/usr/share/xemacs/mule-p ackages' '--with-mule' '--with_file_coding=yes' '--with_msw=yes' '--with-modules=no' '--with-dialogs=motif' '--with-widgets=motif' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i686-pc-cygwin'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/cygwin32.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.1 (cygming special) Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes libc: system-provided libc on i686-pc-cygwin Window System: Compiling in support for the Microsoft window system. Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for Motif. - Using LessTif implementation. *WARNING* Many versions of Motif are buggy, requiring workarounds. You are likely to experience slow redisplay. You may need to install vendor patches to Motif. See PROBLEMS for more information. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Using Motif native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Compiling in support for PostgreSQL. - Using PostgreSQL header file: libpq-fe.h - Using PostgreSQL V7 bindings. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for file coding. Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. 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RE: Re: gnus infloops localized somewhat 18 years, 4 months

Ben Wing

Vin -- I'll see what I can do, in another week or so. It would help a lot if there were an easier way of reproducing the problem (Stephen?) -- since it doesn't occur with --vanilla i may not be able to reproduce it at all. Stephen, can you also post some stack traces showing where it's looping? I can work on separating out the syntax patch but i'd like to see some of the traces so i can be reasonably convinced that this is indeed the location of the problem. ben ------- Original Message ------- On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:25:08 -0500 Vin Shelton wrote:"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes: > This > > (with-temp-buffer > (message-mode) > (message "Prepare to infloop! Arming ...") > (string-match "^\$[ ]*\\(\\w\\|[-_.]\$+>+\\)+" > "_______________________________________________\n") > ;; not executed if must quit from string-match == infloop > (message "That was a rather short infinity!")) > > infloops for me in my current process, but not if I take out the call > to message-mode, and (unfortunately) not at all in a fresh invocation > with -vanilla. I suspect a problem with the syntax table, but that's > as far as I'm going to get today. > > I would appreciate it if people would let me know what results are for > a fresh invocation -vanilla, and also if Gnus users with a well-used > Gnus invocation would see if that gives them an infloop. Also in > 21.4.recent. > > Other suggestions? Ben, You and/or Jan Vroonhof fixed a bunch of bugs in the syntax table code in spring of 2002. That patch was never applied to 21.4, because it was part of one of your mega-patches (message id adrtpho9.fsf(a)xemacs.org) and it was a little too difficult to tease out of the message. Can you please investigate this gnus infloop problem in 21.4? Stephen and others think the problem may be related to the syntax table - I'd really like to robustify that in 21.4, and I'd even be potentially willing to risk temporarily de-stabilizing the 21.4 branch in order to get that ultimate robustness. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks, Vin

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clearcase-mode 18 years, 4 months

Damien Kick

I've tried posting this on comp.emacs.xemacs but have had no responses so far... I tried using clearcase-submit-bug-report but the e-mail bounced with a user unknown error for <esler(a)rational.com>. Emacs: XEmacs 21.4 (patch 12) "Portable Code" [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.8, Mule) of Mon Mar 10 2003 on gax Package: clearcase.el </main/161> current state: ============== (setq clearcase-diff-on-checkin nil ) I tend to have many different buffers open in clearcase-mode at the same time for extended periods of time. Frequently, when I've finished working with them, I'll switch to a shell-mode buffer and do a mass-checkin with "cleartool ci -all -cvi -s | xargs cleartool ci ...". After doing this, I'll run a function that I've written which calls revert-buffer on all of the unmodified buffers with associated files. At this point, all of the cached clearcase-mode file properties are out of sync. To work around this, I've written the following: (defun clearcase-revert-buffer-properties (&optional buffer) (interactive (when current-prefix-arg (list (get-buffer (read-buffer "Buffer name: " (current-buffer) t))))) (let ((buffer (or buffer (current-buffer)))) (save-emacs-state (set-buffer buffer) (let* ((file (buffer-file-name buffer)) (properties (clearcase-fprop-read-properties file))) (clearcase-fprop-store-properties file properties) (redraw-modeline))))) This does the trick with the unfortunate drawback that redraw-modeline does not actually cause the modeline to display the correct thing. Is there a better way for me to do this; i.e. better way to resync the clearcase-fprop with the actual state of the file and redraw the modeline? Thanks in advance for any help. BTW, is there any good way to tell which modes are being used by a buffer? One can get the buffer local value of major-mode for the major mode but what about the minor modes?

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Make A Second Income on UK Horse Racing 18 years, 4 months

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gnus infloops localized somewhat 18 years, 4 months

Stephen J. Turnbull

This (with-temp-buffer (message-mode) (message "Prepare to infloop! Arming ...") (string-match "^\$[ ]*\\(\\w\\|[-_.]\$+>+\\)+" "_______________________________________________\n") ;; not executed if must quit from string-match == infloop (message "That was a rather short infinity!")) infloops for me in my current process, but not if I take out the call to message-mode, and (unfortunately) not at all in a fresh invocation with -vanilla. I suspect a problem with the syntax table, but that's as far as I'm going to get today. I would appreciate it if people would let me know what results are for a fresh invocation -vanilla, and also if Gnus users with a well-used Gnus invocation would see if that gives them an infloop. Also in 21.4.recent. Other suggestions? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

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