On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Martin Buchholz <martin(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "DanP" == Daniel Pittman <daniel(a)danann.net> writes:
> DanP> The new PSGML mode has, in it's keymap, one stunningly
> DanP> counter-intuitive binding.
> I agree completely.
>>>>>> "Ray" == Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
> Ray> I have the same problem. I hate it. I want M-backspace (in
> Ray> Fortran mode at least) to kill word just like it does everywhere
> Ray> else! (But perhaps this is a bug created when the great
> Ray> Backspace vs Delete change took place and Fortran was forgotten?
> Ray> I know that Fortran mode used to work correctly.)
> Proof that different users want different things.
> XEmacs thinks BS is BS, whereas FSF Emacs thinks BS is DEL?
> Still, for any particular user preference, XEmacs should work
> consistently, so there is a bug here.
Mmmm. I think, in part, this is a social problem with the various modes.
IIRC, the how to design major modes stuff from the texi covers this as:
* Don't redefine standard keys in text-like modes.
* Don't redefine them anyway. :)
Which, mostly, makes sense to me. One reason I (and others, I know) use
(X)Emacs is because you /do/ get the same text-like behavior everywhere.
I know that's not why everyone does it, but, it is the least surprising
thing to do.
>>>>>> "DanH" == Dan Holmsand <dan(a)innehallsbolaget.com> writes:
> DanH> I don't know if it's a bug or a feature - but this is all
> DanH> because XEmacs works differently from fsfmacs. Fortran-mode etc
> DanH> all define "\e\C-h" in a local keymap, which on XEmacs overrides
> DanH> both M-backspace and C-M-h. On fsfmacs it only overrides C-M-h
> DanH> (the intended behaviour).
> But FSF Emacs redefines Meta+Backspace if you do
> (global-set-key "\e\C-?" 'backward-char)
> so XEmacs is consistent at the _syntactic_ level. It merely disagrees
> on the name of the key labelled "BackSpace" (on my computer).
> DanH> That means that you have to re-assign backward-kill-word
> DanH> explicitly to M-BS if you also define C-M-h.
> I vote for someone working with the package maintainers to modify the
> key bindings for psgml-mode.
> They can probably be (compatibly!) changed to
> (define-key sgml-mode-map [(meta control h)]
> Daniel, could you verify that this kind of change is safe for XEmacs
> and Emacs, search for other such changes (some suggested in this
> thread), communicate with the other package maintainers, but make the
> changes in XEmacs in any case?
I am happy to do this sort of thing, but my time is currently kind of
crunched. Work is in 'panic before release' mode, so I end up doing long
hours and... lacking enthusiasm.
I will, at the least, do some investigation into what this will and
won't break with, though, and post results to -beta.
Cease to be a drudge; seek to be an artist.
-- Mary McLeod Bethune