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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

William M. Perry

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: > >>>>> "-BP" == William M Perry <wmperry(a)aventail.com> writes: > > -BP> Seconded. Calling someone by just their last name is > -BP> considered by some to be very rude. > > Yeah; too used to academic citation style (and I've forgotten how to deal > with English politeness). Heh - the only reason I mention it is because Bobby Knight (basketball coach for IU here in bloomington) got in some serious #%!＠ for berating a student who said 'yo knight, whats up'? > Is that also a confirmation of Michael's impression that Richard would > be more comfortable with "RMS" and that's how he introduces himself? That's how I've always heard him introduce himself. -bp

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Just when you thought it was safe to use the tabs widget 23 years, 6 months

Stephen J. Turnbull

I have no idea how I did this or how to reproduce it. I'll try not to let this Emacs die.... Recent keystrokes: misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user misc-user button1 button1up C-a C-k C-k C-x C-s C-x b C-f ESC < C-s C-g C-g C-s a u t o - C-r C-r C-r C-r C-g C-g C-x C-f s i m p TAB RET C-r d o - a u t o - f i l l C-r C-r RET C-h l Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first): Quit: isearch Quit Quit: isearch Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc...done Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc... Making completion list... Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc...done Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc... Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc Compiling /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el...done Compiling fill.el... (fill-individual-paragraphs) Compiling fill.el... (fill-nonuniform-paragraphs) Compiling fill.el... (unjustify-region) Compiling fill.el... (unjustify-current-line) Compiling fill.el... (justify-current-line) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-center) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-full) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-right) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-left) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-none) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification) Compiling fill.el... (current-justification) Compiling fill.el... (fill-paragraph-or-region) Compiling fill.el... (fill-region) Compiling fill.el... (fill-paragraph) Compiling fill.el... (fill-region-as-paragraph) Compiling fill.el... (maybe-adapt-fill-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (fill-context-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (canonically-space-region) Compiling fill.el... (current-fill-column) Compiling fill.el... (fill-end-of-sentence-p) Compiling fill.el... (set-fill-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (kinsoku-handle-wan-at-join) Compiling fill.el... (kinsoku-handle-wan-at-break) Compiling fill.el... (find-space-insertable-point) Compiling fill.el... (fill-move-forward-to-break-point) Compiling fill.el... (fill-move-backward-to-break-point) Compiling /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el... Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc...done Loading /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc... Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.elc Compiling /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el...done Compiling fill.el... (fill-individual-paragraphs) Compiling fill.el... (fill-nonuniform-paragraphs) Compiling fill.el... (unjustify-region) Compiling fill.el... (unjustify-current-line) Compiling fill.el... (justify-current-line) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-center) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-full) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-right) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-left) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification-none) Compiling fill.el... (set-justification) Compiling fill.el... (current-justification) Compiling fill.el... (fill-paragraph-or-region) Compiling fill.el... (fill-region) Compiling fill.el... (fill-paragraph) Compiling fill.el... (fill-region-as-paragraph) Compiling fill.el... (maybe-adapt-fill-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (fill-context-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (canonically-space-region) Compiling fill.el... (current-fill-column) Compiling fill.el... (fill-end-of-sentence-p) Compiling fill.el... (set-fill-prefix) Compiling fill.el... (kinsoku-handle-wan-at-join) Compiling fill.el... (kinsoku-handle-wan-at-break) Compiling fill.el... (find-space-insertable-point) Compiling fill.el... (fill-move-forward-to-break-point) Compiling fill.el... (fill-move-backward-to-break-point) Loading byte-optimize...done Loading byte-optimize... Loading cl-macs...done Loading cl-macs... Compiling /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el... Loading bytecomp...done Loading bytecomp... Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el nil Wrote /coda/Projects/XEmacs/21.2-HEAD/lisp/fill.el Making completion list... #PCDATA in p in body in html #PCDATA in strong in p in body in html #PCDATA in p in body in html Parsing prolog...done Parsing doctype...done Parsing doctype... Parsing prolog... 『かんな』を初期化しています....done 『かんな』を初期化しています.... #PCDATA in h1 in body in html No open element in body in html Parsing prolog...done Parsing doctype...done Loading psgml-dtd...done Loading psgml-dtd... Reading compiled DTD... Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/psgml/ECAT ... done -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

William M. Perry

sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes: > >>>>> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: > > SJT> (1) I substituted "Stallman" for "RMS" throughout. > > I suspect Stallman himself would be more comfortable with "RMS". > That's the way he introduces himself when you meet him, AFAIK. Just > my 2 Pfennigs ... Seconded. Calling someone by just their last name is considered by some to be very rude. -Bill P.

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Menu-display bug? 23 years, 6 months

Kai Haberzettl

OK, I don't know if this is a problem of my windowmanager or of XEmacs, but here goes: - XEmacs beta 36 from CVS ; Windowmaker 0.62.1 - pull down a menu on the XEmacs menubar - minimize XEmacs, not with the mouse but with the keyboard shortcut -> the menu stays on the screen and will not react to any input until you resize XEmacs again. Kai

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: >>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes: APA> PSGML can automatically "normalize" your document (adding APA> end-tags). I use that all the time. All my documents on APA> sourceforge should be normalized. Shout if you find one APA> that's not. Stephen> Ah, how do you use PSGML on a .content file? No DTD.... See http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/About/Website.html#Ehfambtcf APA> The next step would be to move to the XHTML DTD. Stephen> Given the close tags are easy, we should do that as soon Stephen> as possible. genpage permitting, of course. I had no OK, I'll try a few docs. Best regards, Adrian Stephen> trouble XHTML-izing my own newer web pages, and they're Stephen> even in Japanese. Stephen> -- Stephen> University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Stephen> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 Stephen> _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ Stephen> What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules." -- Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org>, http://www.xemacs.org

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

Daniel Pittman

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > (0) Appointed myself author. I think that's appropriate since I don't > see how there can be a consensus on writing this page correctly. > > I volunteer to be maintainer for it even if you can't stand the > way I write and insist that it be ghosted. :-) The style looks good to me. OTOH I /am/ Australian and we are known to be... lazy about the language. :) > (1) I substituted "Stallman" for "RMS" throughout. I'm more > comfortable with that, but would immediately revert if most people > preferred the initials. Typical usage here, and in both the UK and the US to the best of my knowledge, would be 'Mr Stallman', or his first name, depending on how informal the document is. The formal title and name address is probably best in this context. [...] > (3) Added a "Community Participation" section to "The XEmacs Point > of View". Comments appreciated. Possibly there should be an equivalent pointer (or link to pointer) for the FSF Emacs, to retain the balance? [...] > (5) Added a bunch of sections describing some philosophical > differences (starting with "What Is the Role of the FSF?"). > Seemed good when I wrote it, but the whole topic is flamebait. > Comments requested. It's flamebait, yes. OTOH, it also seems right from my point of view, and I was never an xemacs developer(tm). I don't think it's *that* bad, though, and I didn't spot anything that wasn't factual (if potentially biased) to the best of my knowledge. OTOH, I am also an Australian and we are known for not giving a damn about anything, so I have a high tolerance for flame-inducing material. :) Daniel -- Among those whom I like, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh. -- W.H. Auden

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

Michael Sperber

>>>>> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: SJT> (1) I substituted "Stallman" for "RMS" throughout. I suspect Stallman himself would be more comfortable with "RMS". That's the way he introduces himself when you meet him, AFAIK. Just my 2 Pfennigs ... -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: >>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes: APA> review the patch when it arrives, to see how well my APA> recommendations in APA> http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/About/Website.html#GfC work. Stephen> Ah, one thing I noticed: XML requires end tags, so we're Stephen> going to need to use a rather smart (ie, HTML-aware) PSGML can automatically "normalize" your document (adding end-tags). I use that all the time. All my documents on sourceforge should be normalized. Shout if you find one that's not. Stephen> program to close those paragraphs, if we're going to do Stephen> it automatically. So it's a good idea to use lowercase Stephen> tags, but not going to help much in a move to XML, I'm Stephen> afraid. The next step would be to move to the XHTML DTD. Best regards, Adrian Stephen> -- Stephen> University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Stephen> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 Stephen> _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ Stephen> What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules." -- Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org>, http://www.xemacs.org

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Re: ["Sailesh Krishnamurthy/Santa Teresa/IBM" <sailesh@us.ibm.com>] Crash of XEmacs-21.1.12 on AIX 4.3.2 (PR#1458) 23 years, 6 months

Michael Sperber

Does the binary kit work for you? -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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Re: RFC: xemacsweb - XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs 23 years, 6 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: Stephen> We've had a bunch of queries about "XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs" Stephen> in the last couple of months. It's time someone dusted Stephen> off that page; here's my hack at it. A reader's guide: Hello Stephen, I can't comment on the content of your changes but will review the patch when it arrives, to see how well my recommendations in http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/About/Website.html#GfC work. Stephen> (0) Appointed myself author. I think that's appropriate Stephen> since I don't see how there can be a consensus on writing Stephen> this page correctly. Stephen> I volunteer to be maintainer for it even if you can't Stephen> stand the way I write and insist that it be ghosted. Stephen> :-) Great to see others start working on the new website! Best regards, Adrian -- Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org>, http://www.xemacs.org

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