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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

Jan Vroonhof

Justin Vallon <vallon(a)mindspring.com> writes: > On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Kyle Jones wrote: > Though barely X literately, I think I have seen this too. I would suppose > that the "other workspaces" frames are being unmapped when the WM switches > workspaces. XEmacs then incorrectly believes that there would be no way > to get back to the other frames, though the "switch to the other > workspace" button would re-map the frames. Yes, i would consider this a window manager bug. It should use a state that maps more naturally on the Workspace concept. FVWM uses Invisible+Mapped which is OK (In fact XEmacs is optimized by that case). Telling the hidden frames they are iconified would also be fine. Jan

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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: APA> I miss gnu-serv/client dearly under Windows NT :-( I use gnuserv all the time when I'm on NT (which is a little as possible). Ray

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Re: `xemacs-packages/{Makefile,[XL]*.rules}' 25 years, 5 months

William M. Perry

karlheg <karlheg(a)cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu> writes: > Is it Ok to assume that GNU make will be used? Can we require that? no no no no no! Steve and I talked a bit in japan about using autoconf for all this, but I have had zero time since then to actually do it. :( Requiring GNU make just to build the packages is evil. :) -bp

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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "karlheg" == karlheg <karlheg(a)cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu> writes: >>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com> writes: Kyle> Are you sure this is a bug? The point of the check, Kyle> obviously, is to prevent you from being left with just Kyle> unmapped frame and thus have no way to control the running Kyle> XEmacs. We have a variable, Kyle> allow-deletion-of-last-visible-frame, that lets you go ahead Kyle> and delete the last visible frame. So far no one has Kyle> mentioned this variable's value. karlheg> It sure would be neat if the `gnuserv' functionality was karlheg> part of XEmacs itself, so that a command could be sent karlheg> to XEmacs to have it map a frame or run a command as karlheg> with `gnuclient'. I miss gnu-serv/client dearly under Windows NT :-( Is anybody here working on it? Adrian

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Re: `xemacs-packages/{Makefile,[XL]*.rules}' 25 years, 5 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> Karl M Hegbloom <karlheg(a)cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu> writes in sb> xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >> Shouldn't the configurables at the top of XEmacs.rules be >> pulled out and put into `Local.rules' as well? sb> XEmacs.rules isn't pulled into the toplevel Makefile or the sb> first level Makefiles. There is a path problem as sb> XEmacs.rules assumes it will only be included two directory sb> levels down from the top. Alright... so I guess there needs to be a `toplevel' variable, and then rather than doing: include ../.../Local.rules You could do: include ${toplevel}/Local.rules Or... MAKEFLAGS += -I ${toplevel} include Local.rules `toplevel' ought to resolve into an absolute path, but be formed at run-time. I'll try and look into doing this stuff soonish... I will be starting on the xemacs-packages for Debian in a week or so (eta). I'll do it then if ever. sb> Yes, I agree that it should be possible to have a non-CVSed sb> local file provide those defaults. >> I've made a few modifications to `XEmacs.rules' to make it >> possible to run in place from a CVS checkout. sb> It is only an accident that this works. Count on it being sb> broken by future updates to the installed packaging structure. Ok, so you plan to force me to learn more `make' tricks. :-) Why don't I get what I've done squared away and looking pretty, then send it in for yous to look over. Perhaps it can become part of whatever changes might break whatever? I'll show it to yous and let yous decide. (later today... I'm in a silly "teraterm" on an NT box at the library right now... It's difficult to work from.) Is it Ok to assume that GNU make will be used? Can we require that? (I hope so. It's the only one I know at all.)

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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

Jan Vroonhof

"James N. Potts" <jnpotts(a)plutonium.net> writes: > >> This also arises under NT (with different circumstances): > >> Start with a single frame. > >> Press the news button. > >> Minimize the original frame. > >> Click the Exit Gnus button. > >> > >> The result: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" > > > >Can you also reproduce this with frames created by C-x 5 2 ?, i.e. > > Yes. Then this is probably an XEmacs-NT bug. The Minimized frames really should have an iconified status. Jan

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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

>>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com> writes: Kyle> Are you sure this is a bug? The point of the check, Kyle> obviously, is to prevent you from being left with just Kyle> unmapped frame and thus have no way to control the running Kyle> XEmacs. We have a variable, Kyle> allow-deletion-of-last-visible-frame, that lets you go ahead Kyle> and delete the last visible frame. So far no one has Kyle> mentioned this variable's value. It sure would be neat if the `gnuserv' functionality was part of XEmacs itself, so that a command could be sent to XEmacs to have it map a frame or run a command as with `gnuclient'.

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Debian XBooks (Was: Re: Putting it all together) 25 years, 5 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

Those docs are in the Debian `xbooks' package. If you don't have a Debian box handy, you can unpack the .deb using `ar' and `tar'. There's a search clicker at <URL:http://www.debian.org/>; look for "xbooks", and follow the link to download it. Here's the contents of the .list file showing what's inside the tar inside the deb. /. /usr /usr/doc /usr/doc/xbooks /usr/doc/xbooks/BDF /usr/doc/xbooks/BDF/bdf.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/CTEXT /usr/doc/xbooks/CTEXT/ctext.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/FSProtocol /usr/doc/xbooks/FSProtocol/fsproto.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/ICCCM /usr/doc/xbooks/ICCCM/icccm.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/ICCCM/icccm.idx.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/ICE /usr/doc/xbooks/ICE/ice.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/ICE/ICElib.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5 /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/PEXlib /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/PEXlib/PEXlib.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/PEXlib/PEXlib.idx.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/Proto /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/Proto/encoding_doc.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/Proto/encoding_toc.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/Proto/protocol_doc.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/Proto/protocol_toc.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/SI /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/SI/Arch_Spec /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/SI/Arch_Spec/cover.ps.gz /usr/doc/xbooks/PEX5/SI/Arch_Spec/figures.ps.gz 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Re: The plague is back: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" strikes again 25 years, 5 months

James N. Potts

>"James N. Potts" <jnpotts(a)plutonium.net> writes: > >> This also arises under NT (with different circumstances): >> Start with a single frame. >> Press the news button. >> Minimize the original frame. >> Click the Exit Gnus button. >> >> The result: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame" > >Can you also reproduce this with frames created by C-x 5 2 ?, i.e. > >C-x 5 2 >C-x 5 o (little ooo) >minimize other frame >C-x 5 0 (zero) Yes. -Jim

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Re: Shift Delete on Cygwin/Xemacs-21.1-p2 25 years, 5 months

SL Baur

Glynn Clements <glynn(a)sensei.co.uk> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Dr. Volker Zell wrote: >> Hi >> >> When I do C-h k and then Control Insert or Shift Insert I get: >> >> C-insert runs `copy-primary-selection' >> Sh-insert runs `yank-clipboard-selection' >> >> but C-h k and then pressing Shift Delete gives me: >> >> DEL runs `scroll-down' I see the same thing on both Solaris and Linux. >> It seems that Sh-delete is not recognized on my system. >> >> Any hint ? ... > I just added > (define-key global-map '(shift delete) 'kill-primary-selection) > (define-key global-map '(control delete) 'delete-primary-selection) > to my ~/.emacs. But do they do anything? They don't do anything for me. I hit Shift-Delete and get Delete. -- 雨降って地固まる (Adversity builds character)

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