September 1998 - XEmacs-Beta - XEmacs Mailing List Archives

tom

menu entry always reads 'check in file <filename>' . This is quite irritating. i have a (load "vc") in my .emacs and no other vc related variables are set. tom

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Re: eldoc: Use `substitute-command-keys' on message. 27 years

Jan Vroonhof

Noah Friedman <friedman(a)splode.com> writes: > Steve, I'm still working on adapting this to use idle timers for > xemacs. Dear Noah, JFYI: This is just by code inspection but it seems that under 21.0 this version will already use idle timers. (This is because in its fsf-compat package XEmacs-21.0 contains a working version of timer.el). Of course itimers are still the preferred interface and will work on previous XEmacs versions. Secondly you might want to sent package updates to 'xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org'. Then they go a more formal process to make sure they are not lost. Jan P.S. I am afraid the disabled-command-hook bug you reported is still there in 21.0. I have been unable to find the problem up to now.

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Re: help: right way to install menus from packages? 27 years

Jan Vroonhof

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > It's probably a side-effect of eliminating the files they were > previously dumping. Will you be accepting patches to bring the menus back? With vc.el it really is a problem. The current menu structure assumes it has most of the stuff in vc-hooks.el present to autodetect the state. I understand one of the reasons for the whole exercise was not to have all that stuff present? Or is it OK that as long a package is present it hooks itself in through the auto-loads file... [*] May be just a "VC" menu with an initial "load VC hooks" entry would be the best solution? Jan P.S I am partial to [*] because I want everything that can be enabled automatically to work without user intervention. However there current is not a mechanism to prevent a package from loading if it is present. (This would happen when the sysadmins have installed the vc package but the user hates it).

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XEmacs 21.0-pre14 "Poitou"/XEmacs 21.2-beta2 "Aether" 27 years

SL Baur

I've uploaded a formal release of new versions of both 21.0 and 21.2 to the ftp site. Don't use 21.2 unless you're 1) comfortable with packages, 2) have installed and run 21.0 for awhile, and 3) are developing or testing new features. 21.0 should be a bit closer to release than the previous release. The 21.0 tarballs are back in beta/xemacs-21.0 and are numbered as if they were beta57. The patches are against the aborted release from a few weeks ago. I'm still collecting changes for a package update from my overflowing inbox and I'll make a formal announcement of everything when it is ready. Enjoy ...

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Re: help: right way to install menus from packages? 27 years

SL Baur

Greg Klanderman <greg(a)alphatech.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > What is the right autoload magic to add menus into the menubar for a > package? I notice that VC and EDIFF are no longer adding menus by > default, you have to ask for them in .emacs. Is that intended? It's probably a side-effect of eliminating the files they were previously dumping. > Personally I think this is bad - this means only an expert > who hacks her .emacs will ever use these packages. > I'd like to add a sub menu for PCL CVS, but something like: > ;;;###autoload(pcl-menu-install) > gets run so early in startup that the "loading <foo.el> ..." messages > get printed to stdout. What is the right way? If your menu code is loading files, you've done something wrong. Look at how it is done in eudc: ;;;###autoload (if (and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version) (featurep 'menubar) (not (featurep 'eudc)) (not (featurep 'infodock))) (add-submenu '("Tools") '("Directory Search" ["Load Hotlist of Servers" eudc-load-eudc t] ["New Server" eudc-set-server t] ["---" nil nil] ["Query with Form" eudc-query-form t] ["Expand Inline Query" eudc-expand-inline t] ["---" nil nil] ["Get Email" eudc-get-email t] ["Get Phone" eudc-get-phone t]))) You need to ensure that menubars are compiled in and you are running in vanilla XEmacs (and not InfoDock).

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help: right way to install menus from packages? 27 years

Greg Klanderman

What is the right autoload magic to add menus into the menubar for a package? I notice that VC and EDIFF are no longer adding menus by default, you have to ask for them in .emacs. Is that intended? Personally I think this is bad - this means only an expert who hacks her .emacs will ever use these packages. I'd like to add a sub menu for PCL CVS, but something like: ;;;###autoload(pcl-menu-install) gets run so early in startup that the "loading <foo.el> ..." messages get printed to stdout. What is the right way? greg

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Re: find-file-binary 27 years

SL Baur

Charles G Waldman <cgw(a)pgt.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Currently, "hexl-find-file" does not work on WinNT. > "hexl.el" contains the following: > (defun hexl-find-file (filename) > "Edit file FILENAME in hexl-mode. > Switch to a buffer visiting file FILENAME, creating one in none exists." > (interactive "fFilename: ") > (if (or (eq system-type 'ms-dos) (eq system-type 'windows-nt)) > (find-file-binary filename) > (find-file filename)) > (if (not (eq major-mode 'hexl-mode)) > (hexl-mode))) > However, the function "find-file-binary", AFAICT, is not defined > anywhere - not in any of the package lisp, or the XEmacs base source, > which I have been furiously grepping through for the last half-hour. > Of course, I'm probably overlooking something obvious. Where is this > function supposed to be defined? This isn't going to work right in Unix either. Drop the conditional, and wrap the `find-file' call with something like: (let ((buffer-file-coding-system 'binary)) (find-file filename)) Does that work a bit better?

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find-file-binary 27 years

Charles G Waldman

Currently, "hexl-find-file" does not work on WinNT. "hexl.el" contains the following: (defun hexl-find-file (filename) "Edit file FILENAME in hexl-mode. Switch to a buffer visiting file FILENAME, creating one in none exists." (interactive "fFilename: ") (if (or (eq system-type 'ms-dos) (eq system-type 'windows-nt)) (find-file-binary filename) (find-file filename)) (if (not (eq major-mode 'hexl-mode)) (hexl-mode))) However, the function "find-file-binary", AFAICT, is not defined anywhere - not in any of the package lisp, or the XEmacs base source, which I have been furiously grepping through for the last half-hour. Of course, I'm probably overlooking something obvious. Where is this function supposed to be defined?

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Re: the package system; vm-1.11 & vm-1.12 27 years

SL Baur

> Raymond Wiker <raymond(a)orion.no> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >> Short summary: >> * missing autoload for package-delete-name >> * bogus directory selection for package installations after >> the first one >> * wrong value for package-get-remote >> * vm-1.12 does not contain vm-autoload I think I've got this fixed now. Please try the vm-1.13 when it gets uploaded later today.

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Re: Easy Newbie Build Question 27 years

Colin Rafferty

This is a modification of the answer that I just gave you on comp.emacs.xemacs. Tony Kerz writes: > I am trying to build XEmacs 21.2-b1 so that I can have a working > version for AIX 4.2.1. > ... > Apologies for my ignorance, this is my first experience with > building XEmacs... The latest released version is 20.4. 21.2 is an alpha version. Don't use it. Especially if you have never used XEmacs before. Just download and build 20.4. ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/xemacs-20.4 In fact, there is a prebuilt binary for AIX. If you actually want to be a beta tester, I would suggest downloading 21.0 first, since it is more stable, and needs as many people as possible to beat on it, so that it can be released soon. -- Colin

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