Holger Schauer <schauer(a)coling.uni-freiburg.de> writes:
> Hrvoje> Not so by design. In fact, we were discussing introduction
> Hrvoje> of a lexically scoped `let' to elisp many times. And guess
> Hrvoje> what? The proposed semantics were equivalent to those used
> Hrvoje> by CL -- lexical scope by default, dynamic scope for special
> Hrvoje> variables.
> Excuse me, Hrovje, where is this an argument for "not so by design"?
To rephrase: current behaviour of `let' is by no means considered a
> We're arguing about probably having to change a lot of _existing_
> Emacs Lisp code
Only the code that bogusly uses special variables without declaring
them as such. This code would probably be easy enough to fix (easier
than ebola). Our byte-compiler even now warns of such code.
> Hrvoje> I don't care. Emacs is not ANSI CL. If that was the
> Hrvoje> impression I was giving, I apologize, because that is not
> Hrvoje> what I meant.
> But, what is then the point of substituting Emacs Lisp with another
> non-sense Lisp ?
Why do you call non-sense anything that is not strictly ANSI
> I don't get it. If we substitute Emacs Lisp with something else, I
> would like to have an ANSI CL system (preferred) or a
> state-of-the-art RSR5-Scheme system. And, my favourite, if somebody
> wants to replace the existing lisp engine, go for a language engine
> that allows support for Emacs-Lisp, Common Lisp and Scheme (and perl
> or tcl, perhaps).
Yeah, and Java and C++. Why not add SNOBOL, for good measure?
> Hrvoje> a clear idea of what it would take. This, however, should
> Hrvoje> not mean I get no vote in the discussion. I know where I
> Hrvoje> want to end up.
> Please, say so, loud and clearly.
I did, but you weren't listening.
> (BTW: I haven't used CMUCL 18a, only the old 17f version. On Linux,
> this old version certainly was slow [no high speed garbage
> collection] and contained some bugs [especially the ffi], but I
> never encountered any bugs on a grown-old 17f on Sun Systems.
17f coredumped on me even on trivial examples. :-(
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