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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 2 months

Jerry James

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 at 13:23:59 +0900 (JST), "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Hmm. Sounds like Common Lisp is going to require lots of extensions > to be useful to us, to me. CLtL1, at least, makes no reference to > editing buffers or multilingual text processing, frames or extents. > Also, it seems possible to me that Common Lisp specifies some things > we would rather be free to implement in our own way (doesn't CL > specify the use of bucky bits and fonts in character representation, > or did that go away?---I can't find the passage I'm sure I remember in > CLtL1, sorry if this is misinformed). <delurk> Doesn't CLISP include some CLtL2 constructs? I seem to remember that it does. In that case, rather than sifting through the large CLtL1, you may need to dig through the enormous CLtL2. Fortunately for those of us who don't want to buy a copy, it can be accessed online here: <URL:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/cltl2.html> The part about bits and fonts you mentioned above was removed for CLtL2, as documented here: <URL:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node25.html> I don't know whether CLISP follows CLtL1 or CLtL2 in this case. </delurk> -- Jerry James Email: jerry(a)cs.ucsb.edu WWW: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~jerry/

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Re: Jens Lautenbacher, GIFs in xmine 26 years, 2 months

Michael Harnois

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Does anyone have a current email address for Jens? <jens(a)metrix.de> > is bouncing. Try jens(a)tellux.de -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA mharnois(a)sbt.net aa0bt(a)aa0bt.ampr.org Most lies succeed because no one goes through the work to figure out how to catch them. -- Paul Ekman

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Re: Fighting with packages! 26 years, 2 months

SL Baur

Gregory Neil Shapiro <gshapiro(a)sendmail.org> writes: ... > I do like the idea of packages. I would like it even better if it provided > a way to remove a package. I'm going to try to find time to hack on that this week. Package deletion is a vital feature (IMO). > Currently, you need to know exactly which info/ and etc/ files get > installed by the package to actually remove it. The lisp/ directory > at least has subdirectories for each of the packages. Right.

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Jens Lautenbacher, GIFs in xmine 26 years, 2 months

SL Baur

[Apologies in advance for the SPAM] Does anyone have a current email address for Jens? <jens(a)metrix.de> is bouncing. Specifically, we need to get permission to convert the GIFs in xmine to PNG.

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Re: coexistence of vc and vc-cc? 26 years, 2 months

SL Baur

Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes: > Bummer. I figured as much. Have to think about how to do this and/or > merging them together so that they can. The idea of creating vc-cc was to give a workspace for people with access to ClearCase to port the old ClearCase support to more recent VC while the rest of the world had a more stable VC to work with. If you can separate the ClearCase support into a clearcase.el that works with VC, you're probably best off doing that. I don't know. I've never used ClearCase and I don't have access to it. Whatever you guys come up with that doesn't prevent VC from being readily synched with latest versions in FSF Emacs is O.K. with me.

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Session Managemant Option in configure 26 years, 2 months

Oliver Graf

Hi there! I'm just through the XSM Protocol description, and now I know what SM (Session Mannagement) is. By the time I modified XEmacs (together with someone else) to create an app-icon (I think I've done only the configure part...) I named this session-management option, cause did not know. Perhaps we should either rename the option, or perhaps we could integrate it completely into XEmacs (no option), cause it's the proper way to handle these properties (as it is written down in the X Toolkit and X Intrinsics manual). I'm still searching for a new name. Main idea behind this is my plan to make XEmacs really SM compatible. This would mean if you close your session with XEmacs running with multiple buffers open and so on, it would look the same (same files, same point positions, etc) after you restart your session. This would be great for the 'new' desktops (GNOME, KDE, GNUstep+WMaker), cause all those (I'm not sure in the case of qt/KDE) have/will have a session manager. One more step in the direction of a unified desktop (together with DnD this makes two). [But first I have to rewrite this f*cking, cut-n-pasted OffiX module from scratch] Regards, Oliver.

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 2 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)pobox.com> writes: > On Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 05:06:31PM +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: > > You mean Erik? Few people are close to him, really, and personally I > > don't have much faith in his clemacs. Although I don't have as strong > > feelings against him as Michael, I don't think he is capable of > > cooperating with the folks here. > > I, for one, am not capable of cooperating with him. Have you tried, and failed, or are you guessing? I am asking this because, while I had some pretty rough flames with Erik in which he practiced his verbal skills on me, I've never had a chance to cooperate with him on technical problems, or to fail to be able to do so. The fact that he used to violently promote Richard Stallman, and then went out of his way to flame him afterwards is probably indicative of his cooperation efforts. But still, it's just a guess, as far as I'm concerned. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- `VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to the Emacs religion.

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Re: Beta names 26 years, 2 months

Stig Bjorlykke

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: | Remek Trzaska <remek(a)npac.syr.edu> writes: | | > Is this question still open? | | Yes. I'm personally not very enthusiastic about it, but the People | Have Spoken and the 22 series will be named after Jazz musicians. We | still need names for 21.1 (~12) and 21.2 (~20). What about using some of the planets and moons in our solar system? There must be ~60 moons around our nine planets, I guess. Then we could learn a bit more of the history, mythology, and current scientific knowledge of each planets and moons in our solar system. [1] <URL:http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/> [1] this sentence is stolen from the webpage :) -- Stig Bjørlykke Red Hat Linux User

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Fighting with packages! 26 years, 2 months

Kevin Oberman

I've been playing with XEmacs 21.0 in beta and pre-release for a few weeks and I continue to think the package system needs some serious attention. I just got caught in a Catch-22 with my installation. I decided to install 21.0 "Zhong Wei" from scratch, just to see if it would all work. That includes a "make install" which I normally don't do for test versions until they get really close to release. Here is the blow-by-blow of my attempt. 1. Restored the tar files (including info and elc). 2. Configured (with CDE and tooltalk). 3. Ran make. No errors. 4. Sent in [Success] report to xemacs-beta. 5. Attempted to load packages. (efs not installed, so no-go.) 6. Get efs tar and restore in the xemacs directory. 7. Attempted to load packages. (efs not loaded, so no-go.) 8. Loaded efs. 9. Attempted to load packages. (efs needs comint which is not loaded. No-go.) 10. Use package-get-package-provider to find that comint in in xemacs-base. 11. Manually download xemacs-base. 12. Attempted to load packages. ("No package path" error. No-go.) 13. Gave up on "package-get" and manually loaded packages from ftp site. Most everything works although I now must manually "require" most everything. 14. Attempt "make install". (tooltalk not loaded, so will not install.) 15. Manually load tooltalk. (Still says tooltalk is not loaded.) I can't get package-get to work. "No package path" does not help much. And it requires set-up including manually getting and loading efs and some definition of "package path" which I still lack. Because "check-features" uses "package-require" which only sees packages loaded by package-get, I'm frustrated. I will now look at "package-get" and try to figure out what "package path" is and get it defined. This is not, as best I can tell, documented anywhere. I'm especially concerned with efs since it MUST be installed be installed for package-get to work. And xemacs-base, which must be installed for efs to work. I would suggest that: 1. All modules needed for package-get either be part of the base install or that detailed instruction be included in INSTALL on how to bootstrap the operation. 2. The "Packages" node in info be expanded to provide information on how to find and install binary packages. I'm willing to contribute to the latter and possibly the former, once I figure out how it's really supposed to work. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman(a)es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 2 months

Hrvoje Niksic

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Is anyone close to Eric? You mean Erik? Few people are close to him, really, and personally I don't have much faith in his clemacs. Although I don't have as strong feelings against him as Michael, I don't think he is capable of cooperating with the folks here. He hates clisp, anyway. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- The meta-Turing test counts a thing as intelligent if it seeks to devise and apply Turing tests to objects of its own creation.

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