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Updated: xemacs-21.4.18-2/xemacs-tags-21.4.18-2/xemacs-emacs-common-21.4.18-2 20 years

Dr. Volker Zell

Hi A new version of 'xemacs' has been uploaded to a server near you. DESCRIPTION: ============ A powerful, highly customizable open source text editor and application development system CYGWIN NEWS: ============ * Added --with-widgets=lucid to configure Old CYGWIN NEWS: ================ * Readded --with-dragndrop and --with-offix to configure Xemacs NEWS: ============ * Fix: When writing to another process, flush the last chunk, even when the pipe is blocked. * Fix: Document use of same-window-buffer-names and same-window-regexps by pop-to-buffer and display-buffer. * Fix: region-active-p only returns t when active region is in current buffer. * Fix: package-get-init-package reported erroneous load-path shadows. * Fix: Fixes to support MacOS 10.4 (Tiger). * Fix: revert derived-mode-merge-syntax-tables patch. * Fix: Cygwin fixes: auto-detecting integer types and avoid Motif. * Fix: Make default-directory work for non-ASCII commands. * Fix: Avoid usage of corrupted stack in open-network-stream(). * Fix: finder-find-library to return filename actually searched for. * Fix: Stop geometry thrashing in tabs widget. * Fix: Don't find package NEWS files. * Fix: fix build for FreeBSD ia64 and other 64bit platforms. * Fix: Don't delete everything from the popup menu in easy-menu-remove. * Fix: Mule-CCL couldn't handle control-1 characters either. * Fix: Fix pixel-to-point conversion arithmetic in font.el * Fix: Small patch for console redisplay issues. * Fix: Cleanup of the CCL coding system example. * Fix: Incremental selection transfer fix. * Fix: configure works again when -ldap is specified and -lber is required. * Fix: man/custom.texi typo fix. * Update: Ask users to send crash reports to xemacs-beta. * Update: Announce latin-euro-standards, update mule-base packages. * Update: Expand package name field in package-ui.el. * Update: Improve glyphs documentation. * Update: Document \c and \C in regular expression syntax. * Update: Document use of `same-window-buffer-names', `same-window-regexps' by pop-to-buffer and display-buffer. * Update: Document category tables in the regexp part of the lispref. * Update: Announce re-builder, xetla in etc/PACKAGES. * Update: Improvements to char-table documentation. * Update: Sync packages mirrors list with website. * Update: Document CCL example. * Update: Process-related docstring improvements. * Update: Another package-get.el update reflecting latest http://www.xemacs.org/Releases/ information. * Feature: Add Simon Josefsson to about.el. INSTALLATION: ============= To update your installation, click on the "Install Cygwin now" link on the http://cygwin.com/ web page. This downloads setup.exe to your system. Save it and run setup, answer the questions and pick up the above mentioned package from the 'Editors' category. DOWNLOAD: ========= Note that downloads from sources.redhat.com (aka cygwin.com) aren't allowed due to bandwidth limitations. This means that you will need to find a mirror which has this update. These mirrors already got the package, the others will probably have the latest version of this package fairly soon: In the US ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/pub/sourceware/cygwin/ has reliable high bandwidth connections. QUESTIONS: ========== If you want to make a point or ask a question the Cygwin mailing list is the appropriate place. CYGWIN-ANNOUNCE UNSUBSCRIBE INFO: ================================= To unsubscribe to the cygwin-announce mailing list, look at the "List-Unsubscribe: " tag in the email header of this message. Send email to the address specified there. It will be in the format: cygwin-announce-unsubscribe-YOU=YOURDOMAIN.COM(a)cygwin.com Enjoy Volker

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Holidays. 20 years

Aidan Kehoe

I said to various people on this list that I’d do various things over the weekend; I didn’t get them to the point where I was happy committing them or sending email, since from today I won’t be regularly online again until February. -- I AM IN JAIL AND ALLOWED SEND ONLY ONE CABLE SINCE WAS ARRESTED WHILE MEASURING FIFTEEN FOOT WALL OUTSIDE PALACE AND HAVE JUST FINISHED COUNTING THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDERED TWENTY TWO NAMES WHOS WHO IN MIDEAST.

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Désinscription de la liste : master 20 years

Le Courrielleur

Désinscription de la liste: master L'adresse de courriel xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org a été retirée. Cliquez sur le lien suivant pour vous réinscrire : http://go.courrielleur.com/opt-in.php?lid=3423&uid=2298&email=xemacs-beta... Cette liste est gérée par Le Courrielleur http://www.courrielleur.com

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[Bug: 21.5-b24] error with interrupted i-search 20 years

Alain MELLAN

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[Bug: 21.5-b24] Slow search window not deleted in xemacs-21.5.24? 20 years

J Jude

================================================================ Dear Bug Team! When slow search is on, isearch creates a small window at the bottom of the frame to display search results. With xemacs-21.5-b24, the slow search window is not deleted when isearch is exited. ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux lx05 2.6.12-14mdksmp #1 SMP Tue Dec 20 13:45:20 MST 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz unknown GNU/Linux ./configure '--with-optimization' '--without-debug' '--without-error-checking' '--with-site-lisp=yes' '--with-zlib' '--without-mule' 'CC=cc' XEmacs 21.5-b24 "dandelion" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24 Installation prefix: /usr/local Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: cc (GCC) 4.0.1 (4.0.1-5mdk for Mandriva Linux release 2006.0) - GCC specs file: specs. - Compiler command: cc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare -Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wunused-parameter -g -O3 libc version: glibc-2.3.5-5mdk Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Compiling in support for NAS (network audio system). Databases: Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for "file" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new GC algorithms. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to WARNING: turn it off. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Using the new allocator. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: The new allocator is experimental. It is enabled by WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-mc-alloc' to WARNING: turn it off. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Using the new portable dumper. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/easy-mmode /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/lisp/easy-mmode /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/lisp/build-report /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/regexp-opt /usr/local/xemacs-21.5.24/lisp/regexp-opt) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (xwem ver: 1.21 upstream: lg(a)xwem.org--2005/xwem--main--2.1--versionfix-1) (xslt-process ver: 1.12 upstream: 1.2.1) (xslide ver: 1.09 upstream: 0.2.2) (xlib ver: 1.14 upstream: lg(a)xwem.org--2005/xlib--main--2.1--version-0) (xetla ver: 1.01 upstream: steve(a)eicq.org--2005/xetla--main--1.1--version-0) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.72 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 2.01 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.1 upstream: 4.5.1) (w3 ver: 1.32 upstream: 4.0pre47) (vm ver: 7.22 upstream: 7.17) (viper ver: 1.47 upstream: 3.09) (view-process ver: 1.13 upstream: 2.4) (vc ver: 1.41 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tramp ver: 1.28 upstream: 2.0.51) (tpu ver: 1.14 upstream: 4.2X) (tooltalk ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tm ver: 1.38 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (time ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.17) (textools ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (text-modes ver: 1.9 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (texinfo ver: 1.3 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (supercite ver: 1.21 upstream: 3.55x3) (strokes ver: 1.1 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (speedbar ver: 1.28 upstream: 0.14beta4) (sml-mode ver: 0.12 upstream: 3.9.5) (slider ver: 1.15 upstream: 0.3x1) (sieve ver: 1.18 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (sh-script ver: 1.21 upstream: 2.0f) (sgml ver: 1.11 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (semantic ver: 1.19 upstream: 1.4.2) (scheme ver: 1.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (sasl ver: 1.16 upstream: 1.14.4) (ruby-modes ver: 1.02 upstream: 1.6.8) (reftex ver: 1.34 upstream: 4.21) (re-builder ver: 1.05 upstream: 1.20) (python-modes ver: 1.07 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (psgml-dtds ver: 1.03 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (psgml ver: 1.44 upstream: 1.3.1) (ps-print ver: 1.11 upstream: 6.5.6) (prog-modes ver: 2.06 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (pgg ver: 1.06 upstream: 0.1) (perl-modes ver: 1.08 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (pcomplete ver: 1.04 upstream: 1.1.6) (pcl-cvs ver: 1.66 upstream: R-2_9_9) (pc ver: 1.28 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (os-utils ver: 1.36 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (oo-browser ver: 1.04 upstream: 4.08) (net-utils ver: 1.48 upstream: N/A) (mmm-mode ver: 1.02 upstream: 0.4.7) (misc-games ver: 1.18 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (mine ver: 1.16 upstream: 1.9) (mh-e ver: 1.29 upstream: 7.4.2) (mailcrypt ver: 2.14 upstream: 3.5.8) (mail-lib ver: 1.75 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (liece ver: 1.15 upstream: 1.4.9) (jde ver: 1.48 upstream: 2.3.2) (ispell ver: 1.32 upstream: 3.6) (ilisp ver: 1.33 upstream: 5.12.0) (igrep ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.111) (idlwave ver: 1.32 upstream: 5.1) (ibuffer ver: 1.09 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (hyperbole ver: 1.16 upstream: 4.18) (hm--html-menus ver: 1.23 upstream: 5.9) (gnus ver: 1.89 upstream: 5.10.7) (gnats ver: 1.17 upstream: 3.101) (general-docs ver: 1.04 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (games ver: 1.17 upstream: 1.04) (fsf-compat ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (frame-icon ver: 1.11 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (fortran-modes ver: 1.05 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (forms ver: 1.15 upstream: 2.37) (footnote ver: 1.16 upstream: 0.18x) (eudc ver: 1.39 upstream: 1.32) (eterm ver: 1.17 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ess ver: 1.16 upstream: 5.2.7) (eshell ver: 1.1 upstream: 2.4.1) (escreen ver: 1.01 upstream: 1.16) (emerge ver: 1.11 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (elib ver: 1.11 upstream: 1.0) (eieio ver: 1.05 upstream: 0.17) (efs ver: 1.33 upstream: 1.23) (edt ver: 1.13 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (edit-utils ver: 2.32 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ediff ver: 1.6 upstream: 2.75) (edebug ver: 1.21 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ecrypto ver: 0.2 upstream: 2.0) (ecb ver: 1.22 upstream: 2.31) (docbookide ver: 0.07000000000000001 upstream: 0.1) (dired ver: 1.17 upstream: 7.13) (dictionary ver: 1.16 upstream: 1.8) (debug ver: 1.17 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (cookie ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (cc-mode ver: 1.45 upstream: 5.30.10) (calendar ver: 1.23 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (calc ver: 1.26 upstream: 2.02fX3) (c-support ver: 1.22 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (build ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.02) (bbdb ver: 1.29 upstream: 2.34) (auctex ver: 1.46 upstream: 11.55) (apel ver: 1.32 upstream: 10.6) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 xwem-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xlib-autoloads xetla-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads x-symbol-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads vc-autoloads tramp-autoloads tpu-autoloads tooltalk-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads sml-mode-autoloads slider-autoloads sieve-autoloads sh-script-autoloads sgml-autoloads semantic-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads reftex-autoloads re-builder-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads oo-browser-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads liece-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hyperbole-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads general-docs-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads ess-autoloads eshell-autoloads escreen-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads 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lisp-float-type file-coding linux dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- misc-user Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Parsing /HOME/jjudeb/.mailrc... done Parsing /HOME/jjudeb/.mailrc... Warning: Defaulting to the GNU Emacs-derived `sendmail.el' mail client. This facility, while part of base XEmacs, is heinously underfeatured, and not going to get better in the medium term. We include it so that bug reports work without packages; we suggest that you choose and/or install one of the other mail clients from packages if you're doing something other than M-x report-xemacs-bug , or even if you are reporting bugs regularly. To choose a package from those installed, click on "Options" -> "Internet" -> "Compose Mail With ..." and decide on one from the list. Gnus and VM are full-featured and have active user communities. To disable this warning and stick with the old behavior, you can explicitly initialize `mail-user-agent' to 'sendmail-user-agent . Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug...

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auctex directory structure 20 years

Uwe Brauer

Hello In another question concerning auctex. The new auctex release contains preview-latex as part of it, hence the xemacs-pkg provided by the auctex maintainers, in the lisp directory, there are TWO directories, namely auctex and preview That is PREFIX/lisp/auctex PREFIX/lisp/preview Is this ok to have such a structure for the `official' auctex-pkg Uwe

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Re: [comp.emacs.xemacs] problems with editing remote files 20 years

Adrian Aichner

"Ron Rice & Helga Holtmann" <holtrice(a)comcast.net> writes: > Here are the results of the test you suggested (running emacs with the > command line flags below and attempting to connect to > /ftp＠ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/ > > open ftp.xemacs.org > ftp: setsockopt TOS (ignored): Protocol not available > Connected to xemacs.org. > > Process *ftp ftp(a)ftp.xemacs.org* kill > > Exactly the same thing which happens when I attempt > to open a file at work. Hello Ron, please don't drop newsgroups or mailing lists in followups, since I will not reply to private queuries about XEmacs. Try the equivalent ftp experiment from a DOS box and cygwin bash shell to narrow in on the issue. See whether cygwin or Windows ftp works for you. Good Luck, Adrian > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Aichner [mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:56 AM > To: XEmacs Beta List > Cc: Ron Rice > Subject: [comp.emacs.xemacs] problems with editing remote files > > > Any ideas about this one? > > I would suggest running > > xemacs -no-init-file -no-site-file > > and testing a well-known efs path, like > /ftp＠ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/ > > Ron, which ftp exectutable are you using in XEmacs (which ftp)? > > I found that I cannot use cygwin ftp in my native Windows XEmacs. > > What else has changed in your environment (at work and at home) since > your ftp access worked last? > > Adrian > > > > -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

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Future AUCTeX distribution 20 years

David Kastrup

Hello, it's not the first time this topic has been discussed, but a recent thread on comp.emacs.xemacs and its solution have made it more pressing. The situation at the moment is that Reiner has, after a user had problems in getting a working AUCTeX on XEmacs, used the Makefile target in our distribution to create such a package and put it online, which the user (who did not have recourse to the required build tools) could then just install. I think it is pointless to force users to recompile. XEmacs packaging policies mean that Uwe, the current AUCTeX package maintainer, basically has to take a working package, unpack it, rearrange the results in a manner that would match a typical source in the XEmacs package source tree, check it in, write and maintain metadata, just in order to arrive at the same package he started with, modulo mistakes and different versioning. Then _another_ person is responsible for the actual build and distribution. Even if Uwe had perfectly much time and energy available for that job (which he hasn't), it is not likely that this way of processing will cure more problems than it causes. And the persons responsible for the problems introduced in this process are not core AUCTeX developers. I think that in interest of coherence and of the users, we should just bite the bullet and put the XEmacs package up for download ourselves, right from the official AUCTeX download site instead of hidden away on the private ftp space of a developer. The version numbers should make telling apart our XEmacs packages from the "official" ones easy enough. We'll have to figure out what to write in our installation instructions and release documents, though. It may be reasonable to omit everything pertaining to building an XEmacs package from the user-accessible documentation in the tarball, and instead make that just part of the CVS archive. The question is what to do with the version in the XEmacs package tree and available from its servers. There are three possibilities: a) business as usual. Updates will occur when somebody has time and is willing to do them. They involve quite a bit of manual error-prone work. b) stop updating AUCTeX altogether but keep it on the package servers. c) remove it from the package servers. It is actually the call of the XEmacs packagers how they want to deal with that issue. But I don't think it serves AUCTeX development if we try feeling responsible for the results of a process that is quite outside the hands of the core developers. And I don't feel Uwe should be held responsible for problems that should not be there in the first place. Distributing a standard package ourselves would solve most of those problems, and maybe we can even cater for the metadata that would be required so that our download directory can get listed in the package download areas in XEmacs' package manager. We do have to come up with a good idea about things like AUCTeX RPMs for XEmacs, though. We can't have them install into the standard sumo tree because of file conflicts with their AUCTeX versions, and they are not really appropriate for site-packages, either, because that is for local stuff. Is there a package tree intended for OS distributors? Search order with higher priority than the standard tree (and not conflicting with it), but below site-packages tree? Something like dist-packages? If not, we'll probably have to go with the site-packages tree. Anyway, even while just putting this into RELEASE and README as a separate "is available" item, we should in the long run also adapt the documentation accordingly. I don't think "how to build an XEmacs package" in its current invocation should be part of the user documentation, as it requires CVS access and does not work right off the tarball at the moment. Maybe it should, but it seems more important right now to tell people what to do once they _have_ gotten hold of a binary package, rather than tell them how they could generate one themselves. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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Is it possible to specify different font for different charset? 20 years

Zhang Wei

In GNU Emacs, the `create-fontset-from-fontset-spec' function could be used to specify different font for different charset, but it is not defined in XEmacs. Is there any other way to do it?

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Re: XEmacs 21.5.24 "dandelion" is released. 20 years

Stephen J. Turnbull

Please don't remove the mailing list from the addressee list. >>>>> "Mats" == Mats Larsson <mats.larsson(a)ericsson.com> writes: Mats> On 2005-12-22 16:19, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Mats, please post the output of "grep -i XFT src/config.h". Mats> % grep -i XFT src/config.h Mats> #define EMACS_CONFIG_OPTIONS "'--with-site-prefixes=/opt/csw' [omitted] Mats> /* Compile with support for Xft? */ Here's the problem: Mats> /* #undef USE_XFT */ Mats> #define USE_XFT_MENUBARS 1 Mats> #define USE_XFT_TABS 1 Mats> #define USE_XFT_GAUGE 1 The only way I can see that this would happen is if configure failed to detect necessary support (headers or libraries). configure is supposed to die with a fatal error, but there is a bug in 21.5.24 that allowed configure to continue without really complaining. This bug has been fixed in CVS. Can you update from CVS and try again? You may also want to check config.log to see what (if anything) failed, and fix that before retrying the build. I'm pretty sure that you'll find that something isn't being found, maybe you need a --site-prefixes option or so. I've also fixed another bug, which prevented proper reporting of Xft support. If USE_XFT is defined, then the line " - Compiling in support for Xft antialiased fonts (EXPERIMENTAL)." should appear near the top of the window system report in Installation (and at the end of the configure run). You can also make sure by looking into src/config.h, if you like. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

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