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Dired doesn't reuse buffers properly on NT 23 years, 1 month

David Masterson

This bug report will be sent to the XEmacs Development Team, not to your local site managers!! Please write in English, because the XEmacs maintainers do not have translators to read other languages for them. Please describe as succinctly as possible: - What happened. - What you thought should have happened. - Precisely what you were doing at the time. Please also include any C or lisp back-traces that you may have. ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! On Windows NT 4.0 (presumably all MS-Windows systems), Dired is not reusing buffers properly. The problem appears to be due to Dired treating the directory name as case sensitive whereas MS-Windows is case insensitive. Therefore, if you edit the same directory, but specify the name once in upper case and once in lower case (or some combination thereof), Dired will assume it's two different directories and create new buffers for the directory. Perhaps read-file-name is not properly canonicalizing the directory name for Windows (or case insensitive) platforms? ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.5 \"Civil Service (Windows)\" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs in \"f:\\xemacs\\xemacs-21.4\\nt\". Using compiler \"cl -nologo -W3 -O2 -G5 -ML\". Installing XEmacs in \"c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.4.5\". Package path is \"~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages\". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Compiling in fast dired implementation. Using minimal tagbits. Using indexed lrecord implementation. Using portable dumper. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (c:\MyDocuments\emacs\xemacs\folding c:\Program Files\XEmacs\xemacs-packages\lisp\text-modes\folding c:\MyDocuments\emacs\xemacs\tq c:\Program Files\XEmacs\xemacs-packages\lisp\vc-cc\tq) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- ((zenirc :version 1.11 :type regular) (xslt-process :version 1.05 :type regular) (xemacs-devel :version 1.38 :type single-file) (xemacs-base :version 1.55 :type regular) (w3 :version 1.2 :type regular) (vm :version 6.96 :type regular) (viper :version 1.28 :type regular) (view-process :version 1.11 :type regular) (vhdl :version 1.13 :type regular) (vc-cc :version 1.16 :type regular) (vc :version 1.28 :type regular) (tpu :version 1.12 :type regular) (tooltalk :version 1.13 :type regular) (tm :version 1.29 :type regular) (time :version 1.11 :type regular) (textools :version 1.12 :type regular) (text-modes :version 1.32 :type single-file) (texinfo :version 1.2 :type regular) (supercite :version 1.18 :type 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:type regular) (ispell :version 1.23 :type regular) (ilisp :version 1.19 :type regular) (igrep :version 1.08 :type regular) (idlwave :version 1.23 :type regular) (hm--html-menus :version 1.16 :type regular) (gnus :version 1.57 :type regular) (gnats :version 1.12 :type regular) (games :version 1.13 :type regular) (fsf-compat :version 1.09 :type single-file) (frame-icon :version 1.09 :type regular) (forms :version 1.13 :type regular) (footnote :version 1.13 :type regular) (eudc :version 1.34 :type regular) (eterm :version 1.13 :type regular) (eshell :version 1.01 :type regular) (emerge :version 1.09 :type regular) (elib :version 1.08 :type single-file) (eieio :version 1.01 :type regular) (eicq :version 1.05 :type regular) (efs :version 1.26 :type regular) (edt :version 1.12 :type regular) (edit-utils :version 1.7 :type single-file) (ediff :version 1.33 :type regular) (edebug :version 1.14 :type regular) (dired :version 1.11 :type regular) (dictionary :version 1.0 :type regular) (debug :version 1.14 :type regular) (crisp :version 1.12 :type regular) (cookie :version 1.13 :type regular) (cc-mode :version 1.26 :type regular) (calendar :version 1.16 :type regular) (calc :version 1.17 :type regular) (c-support :version 1.16 :type single-file) (build :version 1.02 :type regular) (bbdb :version 1.16 :type regular) (auctex :version 1.25 :type regular) (apel :version 1.2 :type regular) (ada :version 1.1 :type regular) (Sun :version 1.13 :type regular)) Features: -------- (xemacsbug shadow view-less view hyper-apropos gnus-picon w3-forms w3-display advice advice-preload w3-imap w3-widget css font w3-mouse w3-vars w3-cus w3-keyword url mm mule-sysdp url-parse url-vars sort smiley annotations gnus-cite gnus-async gnus-score score-mode gnus-ml gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mm-view disp-table gnus-sum nndraft nnmh timezone gnus-cache gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source format-spec nntp nnoo gnus-start gnus-range gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-win gnus gnus-ems gnus-xmas wid-edit message 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buff-menu lib-complete help-nomule cus-file derived frame text-props obsolete cus-start custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote very-early-lisp file-coding mswindows-scrollbars mswindows toolbar native-sound scrollbar network-streams subprocesses menu-accelerator-support menubar md5 xemacs gutter tiff png gif jpeg xface xpm xbm lisp-float-type windows-nt dragdrop-api dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- C-k C-c C-c RET n = c y SPC SPC c y SPC c y SPC c y q y C-h a t o o l b a r RET next next down down down down down down RET down down down down down RET q C-x C-b C-x 1 C-x d RET n n n n n n n n n n f n n n n n n n n n n f q q q C-x C-b C-x 1 ESC x r e p SPC o SPC r SPC SPC x SPC e SPC BS SPC RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... 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Bug in timer.el 23 years, 1 month

Frank Schmitt

OS version:Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.5 \"Civil Service (Windows)\" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. I'm quite sure there is a bug in timer.el. It says there: (defun cancel-function-timers (function) "Cancel all timers scheduled by `run-at-time' which would run FUNCTION." (interactive "aCancel timers of function: ") (let ((p itimer-list)) (while p (if (eq function (itimer-function p)) (progn (setq p (cdr p)) (delete-itimer (car p))) (setq p (cdr p)))))) But you see that p is a list of lists, so it all doesn't work. The fix is most simple: Instead of (if (eq function (itimer-function p)) it has to be (if (eq function (itimer-function (car p))) P.S. I found this one while porting the last version of cua.el to xemacs. When (if?) it runs, where should I send the file too? P.P.S. Please CC me when replying, I'm not subsribed to the list. -- One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. 19. Dezember 2001

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LDFLAGS problem with 21.4.5 23 years, 1 month

Lutz Jaenicke

Hi! When installing xemacs-21.4.5 on my HP-UX box I found, that LDFLAGS is not honored in Makefile.in.in. I can successfully run LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib ./configure --options and my additional libraries are found, but the compilation phase fails, because LDFLAGS is not supported in Makefile.in.in. Solution: Add LDFLAGS=＠LDFLAGS＠ to Makefile.in.in Best regards, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke Lutz.Jaenicke(a)aet.TU-Cottbus.DE BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153

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Re: Mail System Error - Returned Mail 23 years, 1 month

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Mail" == Mail Administrator <Mail> writes: I have unsubscribed this address from these: List Subscriptions for jstuart-devel(a)neo.rr.com on xemacs.org Click a link to visit your options page for that mailing list: xemacs-announce xemacs-beta xemacs-news xemacs-patches xemacs-winnt Adrian Mail> This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Mail> The recipient(s) indicated below did not receive this message Mail> because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has Mail> been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient Mail> and request that space be made available within their mailbox. Mail> Note: The Postmaster for this mail server may increase the mailbox Mail> quota on the account referenced below to accommodate the delivery Mail> of additional mail. Mail> No storage space available in mailbox for jstuart-devel(a)neo.rr.com Mail> The following recipients haven't received this message: Mail> jstuart-devel(a)neo.rr.com Mail> Please reply to Postmaster(a)roadrunner.neo.lrun.com Mail> if you feel this message to be in error. Mail> From: Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> Mail> Subject: Re: tm & gnus Mail> To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> Mail> Cc: Simon Josefsson <jas(a)extundo.com>, <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>, Mail> jareth(a)xemacs.og Mail> Date: 08 Nov 2001 14:28:05 +0100 Mail> References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111081000060.3761-100000(a)slipsten.extundo.com> Mail> <87zo5xcy3k.fsf(a)tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mail> Organization: The XEmacs Project Mail> Message-ID: <eln95r4q.fsf(a)ecf.teradyne.com> >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes: >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas(a)extundo.com> writes: Simon> I'm having trouble committing things currently, and I'd Simon> like to commit a one-liner I sent to xemacs-patches several Simon> weeks ago first -- I sent a mail to the cvs maintainer so Simon> hopefully it will be fixed soon. Stephen> Er, I'm the XEmacs CVS maintainer now.... OK, I've fixed Stephen> that alias. (gomen'nasai, Jareth-san. taihen gomeiwaku Stephen> wo kaketeshimaimasita (^^;;;) Stephen> What's the problem? Are you aware that cvs.xemacs.org is Stephen> no more? We're planning to move to SunSITE.dk as soon as Stephen> we can get some security issues straightened out. In the Stephen> meantime, CVS changes are done using your Stephen> "jas(a)barbar.josefsson.org" SSH public key, using Stephen> CVS_RSH=/usr/bin/ssh Stephen> CVSROOT=:ext:xemacs＠tanko.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp:/usr/CVSroot Stephen> or whatever is appropriate at your system. Checkouts and Stephen> updates can be done anonymously Stephen> CVSROOT=:pserver:cvs＠sunsite.dk:/pack/anoncvs Stephen> The cvs login password is "cvs". The canonical reference Stephen> for this stuff is Stephen> http://www.xemacs.org/Develop/cvsaccess.html, but it Stephen> doesn't describe the temporary server at "tanko". Note Mail> Stephen, I used to commit via Mail> :ext:martinb＠cvs.xemacs.org:/usr/CVSroot Mail> in cvs.xemacs.org times. Mail> Oh, shared commit access has been moved from acount martinb to xemacs. Mail> Somehow my mind failed to register this (registry full, perhaps?). Mail> I'll do a quick update now. Mail> Best regards, Mail> Adrian Stephen> that due to my university's brain-damaged firewall, the Stephen> only way you can check service is via ssh -v, which will Stephen> hang after announcing the connection (you don't have Stephen> shell access; it automatically starts the CVS server, Stephen> which is waiting for CVS :ext: client-server protocol). Stephen> No ping, traceroute, etc, etc, due to firewall. Stephen> -- Stephen> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp Stephen> University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Stephen> Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; Stephen> ask what your business can "do for" free software. Mail> -- Mail> Adrian Aichner Mail> mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org Mail> http://www.xemacs.org/ Mail> ---------- -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

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key-binding 23 years, 1 month

Ilya N. Golubev

versions: 19.14 .. `key-binding' misinforms user when used by `describe-key' invoked inside "text fields" on a key from extent map. It returns C-z binding from `viper-vi-intercept-minor-mode' (viper mode is on), and in fact active C-z binding is from extent map. This incorrect binding is displayed to user. `describe-bindings' works fine. I observe that `keymap.c' code for `key-binding' really differs from what `describe-bindings' does. And before going into detail of what `get_relevant_keymaps' returns: it can go beyond `maps' array bounds when `(nmaps > countof (maps))'. In my case it does not happen since last item in array filled by `get_relevant_keymaps' is always `Vcurrent_global_map', and key binding from global map is returned, but it can go wrong when there is no key binding in returned *subset* of relevant keymaps. If it does not go beyond `maps' array bounds, it can return wrong value because it never requests all of `nmaps' keymaps and `(nmaps - countof (maps))' are left unprocessed. I ran over it all while trying to figure out what goes no in `wid-edit' "text fields" as described in <5a243be9612686-gin(a)mo.msk.ru>.

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widget keymap parents 23 years, 1 month

Ilya N. Golubev

`custom' versions: all known That is, in 19.14 `custom' was a separate package, and later it is bundled with xemacs. It is `wid-edit.el'. It provides a "text field widget" implemented as extent with a keymap bound to it. 1) Are `set-keymap-parents' for `widget-field-keymap' and friends really necessary? Note that they set bindings for *extent* keymap, which is searched first when dispatching key-presses. So in "text field widgets" `global-map' key bindings shadow those of minor modes. In particular, vi movement mode in viper is implemented through minor mode, so one can not enjoy vi commands in "text fields". 2) If you decide to retain it. This code fragment looks strange. (setq widget-text-keymap (make-sparse-keymap)) (set-keymap-parents widget-field-keymap global-map) Apparently it initializes `widget-text-keymap', but looks like smb forgot to replace `widget-field-keymap' from an expr above with `widget-text-keymap'.

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gnuserv.el:gnuserv-running-p buglet 23 years, 1 month

Martin Schwenke

gnuserv-running-p doesn't really implement what its documentation says it does. If the process was started, but has since died, it probably still returns non-nil. (defun gnuserv-running-p () "Return non-nil if a gnuserv process is running from this XEmacs session." (and (not (not gnuserv-process)) (eq (process-status gnuserv-process) 'run))) By the way, is the (not (not gnuserv-process)) really necessary in the existing version. I guess this makes the function return t instead of a process-handle, but the documentation only says it returns non-nil... [By the way, sorry I'm not on the list, so please copy me on replies...] peace & happiness, martin

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Problems with userlock and NFS 23 years, 1 month

Daniel Ruoso

Hi, I'm having some trouble working with my perl files. My home is in NFS with filelock disabled, and the files are in CVS but readble/writable. When I open the the file and try to modify it, the modeline says "Loading Userlock...done"... and Xemacs locks itself... Can somebody help me? when I kill it, Xemacs output the following: -------- Fatal error (3). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. If you have access to the PROBLEMS file that came with your version of XEmacs, please check to see if your crash is described there, as there may be a workaround available. [...] directory in which you started the editor, or maybe in your home directory), and type gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up. (If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. A similar procedure should work for all of these. Ask your system administrator if you need more help.) Lisp backtrace follows: format("%s is locking %s: action (s, q, p, ?)? " -------- Follows the install information -------- uname -a: Linux eeyore 2.4.4-ac5 #1 Sat May 5 01:08:36 EDT 2001 i686 unknown ./configure '--with-sound=native' '--with_menubars=lucid' '--with_scrollbars=lucid' '--with_dialogs=athena' '--cflags=-O2 -g -Wall' '--with-x11' '--extra-verbose' '--with-site-lisp' '--statedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/xemacs-21.4.1' '--prefix=/usr' '--error-checking=none' '--debug=no' '--const-is-losing=no' '--dynamic' '--without-postgresql' '--with-gpm=no' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.4.1/i386-debian-linux/mule/' '--with-mule' '--with-canna=no' '--with-wnn=no' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-xfs' '--package-path=~/.xemacs:~/.xemacs/packages::/usr/share/xemacs21/packages:/usr/share/xemacs21/mule-packages:/usr/share/xemacs21/site-packages' 'i386-debian-linux' XEmacs 21.4.1 "Copyleft" configured for `i386-debian-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /home/dres/project/debian/xemacs21/xemacs-21.4.1 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -O2 -g -Wall Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Compiling in support for ESD (Enlightened Sound Daemon). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. "palmatória quebra dedo, palmatória faz vergão, palmatória quebra tudo só não quebra opinião!" do concerto do Antônio Nóbrega

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X error 23 years, 1 month

Thomas Gerds

hi, the xemacs-21.4.? generation produces the error message below (in the xterm-window) from where we called xemacs. at the same time all xemacs-frames turn white and most often nothing helps but kill -9 ... any suggestions? tomy xemacs-21.4.5: X Error of failed request: BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this connection) Major opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) Resource id in failed request: 0x4000305 Serial number of failed request: 101942 Current serial number in output stream: 167282 xemacs-21.4.5: X Error of failed request: BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this connection) Major opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) Resource id in failed request: 0x4000306 Serial number of failed request: 101968 Current serial number in output stream: 167282 xemacs-21.4.5: X Error of failed request: BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this connection) Major opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) Resource id in failed request: 0x4000307 Serial number of failed request: 101991 Current serial number in output stream: 167282 xemacs-21.4.5: X Error of failed request: BadImplementation (server does not implement operation) Major opcode of failed request: 20 (X_GetProperty) Serial number of failed request: 218003 Current serial number in output stream: 218003

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[comp.emacs.xemacs] Re: 21.4.5, re_match_2_internal and cygwin 1.3.2 23 years, 1 month

Stephen J. Turnbull

-- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

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