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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 7 months

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > The historical reason why the old names should be kept is that they > have been in released versions of XEmacs for a year and half (almost > two years in beta releases). You have stated that only v2x versions of > emacs will be supported by Gnus from now on, but that means having to > support XEmacs 20.4 which has point-at-bol and point-at-eol. Yup. Gnus will not abandon support of the point-at-* functions, but continue to use gnus-point-at-* aliases, which now resolves to either point-at-* or line-*-position, depending on which of them are defined. > I'm frustrated by the situation. There was nothing basically wrong > with the old names, and they've been out there for quite awhile. Oh > well. At the time I discussed this with RMS, I didn't know that XEmacs had already included the functions. Mea culpa. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

[I've currently renamed these functions and obsoleted the old names.] Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... > There is some presedence for the new names -- extent-start-position, > extent-end-position, marker-position, etc. -- and having abbreviations > in functions is something, I think, that should be avoided if > practical (and there are no historical reasons why it's neat having > them). The historical reason why the old names should be kept is that they have been in released versions of XEmacs for a year and half (almost two years in beta releases). You have stated that only v2x versions of emacs will be supported by Gnus from now on, but that means having to support XEmacs 20.4 which has point-at-bol and point-at-eol. Support of XEmacs 20.4 is *good*. It should still be in wide usage past the millenium if the world doesn't fall apart. Anyway, the functions themselves are without a doubt most useful. Usage of them has spread into a surprising (to me) amount of XEmacs code. I'm frustrated by the situation. There was nothing basically wrong with the old names, and they've been out there for quite awhile. Oh well.

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Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() 25 years, 8 months

Hrvoje Niksic

karlheg(a)inetarena.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: > Perhaps with enough interest and people to actually do the work, it > could be forked and those changes made to it? You could make X be > what you want it to be then. Not if you want to support Unices other than Linux. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Listen, kid, we're all in it together!" -- Harry Tuttle in _Brazil_

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

karlheg(a)inetarena.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: > Lars> Yes. But I think these names are better names than the ones > Lars> I originally came up with -- point-at-{eol,bol}. > > Hmmm. It works well with completion and apropos though, to name them > using `point-at-.*'. If I'm looking for functions that do things > with "point", that's what I'd grep for. There is some presedence for the new names -- extent-start-position, extent-end-position, marker-position, etc. -- and having abbreviations in functions is something, I think, that should be avoided if practical (and there are no historical reasons why it's neat having them). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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Re: point-at-[eb]ol renamed to line-(beginning|end)-position 25 years, 8 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

<bronx cheer> I liked the old names, Steven. :-)

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes: Lars> Yes. But I think these names are better names than the ones Lars> I originally came up with -- point-at-{eol,bol}. Hmmm. It works well with completion and apropos though, to name them using `point-at-.*'. If I'm looking for functions that do things with "point", that's what I'd grep for.

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Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() 25 years, 8 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

>>>>> "dv" == Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: dv> Pffffff :-( Sounds like the time when you can write a clean dv> multi-threaded application managing several displays has not dv> come yet... Since X won't be free anymore, the Debian project has made a statement that they'll only be using the free version... You can read the statement on the NEWS page at www.debian.org if you like. Perhaps with enough interest and people to actually do the work, it could be forked and those changes made to it? You could make X be what you want it to be then.

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > I've made the change, but I wish I had been asked first before the > names were changed. :-( It's my fault. I forgot to Cc you when I was having the discussion with RMS. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > Under Emacs, these newish functions are called `line-end-position' > > and `line-beginning-position'. It would be nice it the same was the > > case under XEmacs. > > Oh, so Stallman has ignored the existing XEmacs name once again. Yes. But I think these names are better names than the ones I originally came up with -- point-at-{eol,bol}. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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Re: point-at-{eol,bol} 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Under Emacs, these newish functions are called `line-end-position' and > `line-beginning-position'. It would be nice it the same was the case > under XEmacs. They're not `newish' functions. The first code you sent me was integrated into XEmacs in December of 1996. I've made the change, but I wish I had been asked first before the names were changed. :-(

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