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Re: kde-xemacs or gnome-xemacs? 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

Gerald Gutierrez <gutier(a)intergate.bc.ca> writes: > Has there been any thought going into the possibility of having a > gnome-aware or kde-aware XEmacs? Such would allow XEmacs to visually > fit into its surroundings via theming and would allow people to > drag-and-drop stuff for editing, amongst other things. So long a you do not go as far changing the toolkit, this is a very sane idea. In fact people have given it thought, but development is a bit stalled. > Is this technically difficult to achieve? It depends on how integrated you want thinks to be. Porting to a different toolkit is very hard. Direct CORBA support in XEmacs would be very nice but also not easy. The Bonobo people have a prototype where they project the XEmacs main window as a component in an otherwise GTK environment. That seems to be the closest you can with regard to that Oliver Graf <ograf(a)fga.de> is working on the D&D support which is probably the best start, but he seems to be busy and might need some help. Reading the color and pixmap preferences from some Gnome or KDE file should be trivial but nobody has done that yet. Jan

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Re: xemacs udp patch 25 years, 3 months

Jan Vroonhof

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Make sure it gets to me somehow. We can put it into CVS, we can put > -pkg tarballs on the FTP site retrievable via the package UI interface > in XEmacs, but it won't go into the Sumo until 21.2 become official. Note that Stephen's package will be a good test for any future package distribution system anyway 1. It contains a binary module. 2. It _requires_ 21.2 Thus it would be a nice test if we can handle this in a sane way then. Jan

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Re: XEmacs has just (more than) doubled in size 25 years, 3 months

SL Baur

Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > At 05:05 PM 8/18/99 +0900, SL Baur wrote: >> Comparative output from size is: >> $ size src/xemacs* >> text data bss dec hex filename >> 2384350 3030336 0 5414686 529f1e src/xemacs >> 2063120 3035984 0 5099104 4dce60 src/xemacs.RUNNING > These numbers don't add up do they? I blame gcc :) Survey says ... you're right. It was gas/gld and an extraneous environment variable (COMPILER_PATH). I've only been running the new version a few minutes, but the gutter is _greatly_ improved over a few days ago. I still don't understand why some displayed buffers get a button and others don't though.

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Re: xemacs udp patch 25 years, 3 months

SL Baur

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Stephen Tse <stephent(a)sfu.ca> writes: >> Should I send the package to xemacs-patch, or is package now truly >> independently of xemacs such that I just have to upload to a certian >> ftp area? > The latter. Make sure it gets to me somehow. We can put it into CVS, we can put -pkg tarballs on the FTP site retrievable via the package UI interface in XEmacs, but it won't go into the Sumo until 21.2 become official. > When XEmacs 21.2 is released we can think about putting it in the > official package list, but currently we cannot because the packages > have to work with 21.1. Not quite. We may distribute 21.2-only packages if they are bytecompilable with XEmacs 21.1. If you follow good coding guidelines, your package will be bytecompilable by an XEmacs that does not have the underlying support. See the LDAP package as an excellent example of this.

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Re: No gutter visible under AIX / X11 25 years, 3 months

ALTMARK＠de.ibm.com

Thanks for the advice! I think, for the moment I'll stay with the tarballs as setting up efs to use cvs seems to be not that simple for our site (firewall, etc.). Thus I will wait full of expectation for the b20 tarball ... Markus --- Markus Alt IBM Laboratory Boeblingen, Germany Workplace: 71032-19-171 Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org> on 08/19/99 11:43:36 PM Please respond to Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org> To: Markus Alt/Germany/IBM, xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org cc: Subject: Re: No gutter visible under AIX / X11 The X tab widget support and hence gutter support is only in b20. mswindows had it earlier because MS was nice enough to provide a tab widget with the OS.... Wait for b20 or use cvs. andy At 03:17 PM 8/19/99 +0200, ALTMARK(a)de.ibm.com wrote: > > >I've tested the gutter on XEmacs under NT (21.2-b19, which I got from >ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/xemacs/win32) and think it's really cool, so I wanted >to have it also on the XEmacs running on my AIX (4.3.2) box (also 21.2-b19, >which I built myself from the tarballs). Unfortunately *no* gutter at all >is visible, although the "Visible" button under "Options->Gutter >Apperarance" is on. (In addition to that, I don't see the function >`buffers-tab-selection-function' on AIX, but it exists on NT.) > >Is this a known problem? Or no problem at all and I'm doing something >wrong? (e.g. do I have to specify additional parameters with configure or >something similar?) > >TIA for any hint! > >Markus > >--- >Markus Alt >IBM Laboratory Boeblingen, Germany > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andy Piper Senior Consultant Architect, BEA Systems Ltd

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kde-xemacs or gnome-xemacs? 25 years, 3 months

Gerald Gutierrez

Hi all. Has there been any thought going into the possibility of having a gnome-aware or kde-aware XEmacs? Such would allow XEmacs to visually fit into its surroundings via theming and would allow people to drag-and-drop stuff for editing, amongst other things. Is this technically difficult to achieve? Thanks.

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Re: XEmacs has just (more than) doubled in size 25 years, 3 months

SL Baur

Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >>>>>> "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> which is why minimal tag bits were invented. With the effects Jan> of also increasing the range of integers and (with the Jan> current naive allocator) a 50% memory overhead. > Well, now we know where half of Steve's bloat came from! It's not! The size doubling has gone away as mysteriously as it came, but now I cannot dump XEmacs without a fatal error message.

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latest 21.2 CVS - Success! 25 years, 3 months

Damon Lipparelli

Andy was right; I needed to turn off "tooltalk" & "workshop". -lipp <<Installation>>

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Re: Shell trouble - third post (was Shell trouble - second post, please read) 25 years, 3 months

SL Baur

Rodney Stromlund <Rodney.Stromlund(a)wnco.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... > When I enter shell mode (I'm using ksh) if I start a > program that has lots of output, I can't break it > or move my cursor around until the program ends. ... > Please just email me and tell me to shut up! Don't use shell mode. Use an xterm instead. Modern shells have *much* better editing capabilities than shell mode.

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RE: Latest 21.2 fails under Solaris 2.5.1/X11R5 25 years, 3 months

Damon Lipparelli

Interesting.... Building with debug turned on and with workshop and tooltalk off, everything just works. I'm re-building with debug turned off now, -lipp -----Original Message----- From: Andy Piper [mailto:andy＠xemacs.org] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:52 AM To: Damon Lipparelli; 'xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org' Subject: Re: Latest 21.2 fails under Solaris 2.5.1/X11R5 At 12:14 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Damon Lipparelli wrote: >Starting with the earliest gutter changes, I haven't been able to either >build or run XEmacs under Solaris 2.5.1 and X11R5. If I re-configure and >build under Solaris 2.6 and X11R6, things are fine. > >After the build completed, I ran "src/xemacs -q". An XEmacs window popped >up, but disappeared quickly. The attached was spewed out in the xterm I ran >in. > >Is X11R5 (or Solaris 2.5.1) outdated? Is anyone else seeing problems with >this configuration? The backtrace looks bizarre. What does a stacktrace give you? It has to be a widget problem but I don't see why. Why has the infinite spin gone away? Please try configuring with full error checking and without workshop support. If this doesn't work try turning off widget support. Can you try something other than gcc 2.95? andy -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andy Piper Senior Consultant Architect, BEA Systems Ltd

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