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Re: etc/NEWS or what to tell the people 25 years, 7 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > > -Are there any MULE differences (IANAM - I am not a Mule(-User)). > > - ... > > I would say MULE support on tty. Forget that one. Mule sucks on TTY, *maybe* unless you're using a kterm. Read xemacs-mule for more details (or look it up in the recent archives). > > the gnuclient-problem on the shell.) > > If you mean the "don't use gnuclient and xemacs -nw on the same tty" > problem then that is certainly _not_ easily solvable. However it is > also fairly obscure. And the problem is not new either. > I think the LDAP support is also nice (although currently probably > underused). For me the windows port is the most exiting thing. Yes. Once again, kudos go to the Windows portrers, especially Jonathan Harris, Andy Piper, and Kirill Katsnelson.

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Re: etc/NEWS or what to tell the people 25 years, 7 months

Jan Vroonhof

Holger Schauer <schauer(a)coling.uni-freiburg.de> writes: > and for b) > > -Don't mix xresources and Options>Edit-Faces ;-) You can now. It will still not work perfectly (this will come later, the patch was too late for 21.0) in the sense that the properties are not merged as you would expect. But all the really weird stuff should be gone. > -Are there any MULE differences (IANAM - I am not a Mule(-User)). > - ... I would say MULE support on tty. XEmacs has been thoroughly checked for proper support for non-ascii filenames and other external input. > the gnuclient-problem on the shell.) If you mean the "don't use gnuclient and xemacs -nw on the same tty" problem then that is certainly _not_ easily solvable. However it is also fairly obscure. I think the LDAP support is also nice (although currently probably underused). For me the windows port is the most exiting thing. You should really mention it comes with an installer since that seems to be the thing that the windows users are most pleasantly surprised about. Jan

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Re: etc/NEWS or what to tell the people 25 years, 7 months

Didier Verna

Holger Schauer <schauer(a)coling.uni-freiburg.de> writes: > -Packages (and its implications ...) > -Windows-Port. ... customization of the options menu, which breaks former options.el ;-) BTW, it's been a while since I've used 21.0. What is _exactly_ the status of the .xemacs directory, the options.el file, the .xemacs-options file and stuff ? -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 73 46 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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etc/NEWS or what to tell the people 25 years, 7 months

Holger Schauer

Hello there ! I have been asked to write an article for a german IT magazine (iX) about the upcoming 21.0 release. With regard to that, what do PEOPLE HERE think should I tell the people about ? What are a) the brand new features and b) what is different to 20.4 ? Of course, for a) -Packages (and its implications ...) -Windows-Port. If there is somebody in Germany reading this list who could write a small report about this, I would be glad, as "I don't do drugs or windows" as Steve has put it once. - ... and for b) -Don't mix xresources and Options>Edit-Faces ;-) -Are there any MULE differences (IANAM - I am not a Mule(-User)). - ... Well, and then there's the NEWS file. What do people on this list find must be mentioned ? What obvious problems could be easily solved (i.e. to which I could write two lines saying "don't do that", like setting fonts in two different places or the gnuclient-problem on the shell.) Other comments ? Another question: when is the "final" 21.0 release due ? Holger -- --- http://www.coling.uni-freiburg.de/~schauer/ --- "Vi was created by hacking full screen support into ed while under influence of drugs." -- Per Abrahamsen in comp.emacs.xemacs

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Re: italic font size 25 years, 7 months

Jan Vroonhof

Colin Rafferty <craffert(a)ms.com> writes: > I have a patch for `x-make-font-bold-italic' to work properly, but I > don't see how to get the italic/bold/bold-italic fonts set after > .emacs. Calling (x-init-global-faces) should work, or even just explicitly remaking the italic fonts. (which is why it works with customize. Here 'reset-face' is actually useful :-) ) However IMHO it would be a nice idea if the splash screen used its own faces to avoid instantiating the fonts too early. The real way to solve this would be with a true font model such that boldness (or better font-weight) would be a property just like a color. Jan

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Re: Crash in XEmacs 21.0 "20 minutes to Nikko" with gnuserv/gnuclient 25 years, 7 months

Jan Vroonhof

Colin Rafferty <craffert(a)ms.com> writes: > Not at all. Check out the code from delete_frame_internal() in frame.c: > > if (!force && !allow_deletion_of_last_visible_frame && > !other_visible_frames_internal (f, called_from_delete_device)) > error ("Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame"); Thus setting allow_deletion_of_last_visible_frame to t has the same effect as setting force on every call to delete-frame which is what you were defining your own delete-frame function for didn't you? Or am I totally confused? Jan

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Re: italic font size 25 years, 7 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Rafferty <craffert(a)ms.com> writes: Colin> Raymond Toy writes: >> Using customize, select the italic font. Turn off the italic button. >> Set the change. The sample should now be upright. Now go and turn on >> the italic button and set the change. The sample should now be using >> the oblique version. >> You can do the same with bold-italic. Colin> The problem with this is that it sets the face to a specific font, and Colin> if you want to change this, you have to change default, italic, and Colin> bold-italic. Colin> What we want to be able to do is set just the default font, and have Colin> all the other fonts magically inferred correctly. I agree with you 100%. This was just an ugly workaround. [snip] Colin> I'm not sure that we want to be telling our users that they need to do Colin> this to get the fonts right. Well, I used customize. Easier for new users, but the solution is unintuitive. I don't know how to get *t-o-b-i-f* set early enough. I guess we'd have to delay setting up any fonts until AFTER .emacs is read. Or perhaps *t-o-b-i-f* set via X resources. (Yuck) Ray

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Re: italic font size 25 years, 7 months

Colin Rafferty

Raymond Toy writes: > Using customize, select the italic font. Turn off the italic button. > Set the change. The sample should now be upright. Now go and turn on > the italic button and set the change. The sample should now be using > the oblique version. > You can do the same with bold-italic. The problem with this is that it sets the face to a specific font, and if you want to change this, you have to change default, italic, and bold-italic. What we want to be able to do is set just the default font, and have all the other fonts magically inferred correctly. > My guess is that by doing this, customize-face actually goes out and > sets the face appropriately and honors *try-oblique-before-italic-fonts*. Sure. *t-o-b-i-f* works correctly (with my patch applied), but it just doesn't get set early enough. I just tried this in my .emacs, and it works. However, it's pretty ugly. (setq *try-oblique-before-italic-fonts* t) (make-face-unitalic 'italic) (make-face-unitalic 'bold-italic) (make-face-italic 'italic) (make-face-italic 'bold-italic) I'm not sure that we want to be telling our users that they need to do this to get the fonts right. -- Colin

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Re: italic font size 25 years, 7 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> ">" == Colin Rafferty <craffert(a)ms.com> writes: >> For example, if I wanted to make the italic font larger than the >> default, but still italic, I can put this in my .emacs: >> (make-face-larger 'italic) >> However, if the italic font hasn't been set up, this will fail (or at >> least, not do the right thing). >> What we could do is have the fonts set up after .emacs, but also allow >> a function `setup-default-fonts' to be called in .emacs, that will set >> them earlier. >> This way, I can do this: >> (setq *try-oblique-before-italic-fonts* t) >> (setup-default-fonts) >> (make-face-larger 'italic) >> Of course, this is truly ugly. Unfortunately, this is what we seem to >> need. Here's a possible work-around that I just tried. It even makes the splash screen come out like it used to. :-) Using customize, select the italic font. Turn off the italic button. Set the change. The sample should now be upright. Now go and turn on the italic button and set the change. The sample should now be using the oblique version. You can do the same with bold-italic. My guess is that by doing this, customize-face actually goes out and sets the face appropriately and honors *try-oblique-before-italic-fonts*. Ray

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Re: italic font size 25 years, 7 months

Colin Rafferty

Raymond Toy writes: >>>>>> ">" == Colin Rafferty <craffert(a)ms.com> writes: >>> I'm not sure that it's possible, since you may want to change your >>> fonts in .emacs, and we don't want them to then be overridden by >>> make-font-italic and friends. > But it *was* possible because it worked in b65 and earlier. If the > font already exists we shouldn't touch it.[1] Well, I'm not disputing you. I'm sure it used to work, since I have that line in my .emacs file. > Would it be possible to defer all settings of fonts and to defer the > splash screen until *after* .emacs is run? But then I couldn't modify the italic font in my .emacs. For example, if I wanted to make the italic font larger than the default, but still italic, I can put this in my .emacs: (make-face-larger 'italic) However, if the italic font hasn't been set up, this will fail (or at least, not do the right thing). What we could do is have the fonts set up after .emacs, but also allow a function `setup-default-fonts' to be called in .emacs, that will set them earlier. This way, I can do this: (setq *try-oblique-before-italic-fonts* t) (setup-default-fonts) (make-face-larger 'italic) Of course, this is truly ugly. Unfortunately, this is what we seem to need. -- Colin

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