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Re: coexistence of vc and vc-cc? 26 years, 12 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes: >> Is it possible for vc and vc-cc coexist? sb> No. Bummer. I figured as much. Have to think about how to do this and/or merging them together so that they can. Ray

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Re: cannot build w3 26 years, 12 months

William M. Perry

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > [1 <text/plain; US-ASCII (7bit)>] > >> There's no w3-cfg* at all in the package directory :-(. > > Yup. My bad. > > They're new files that didn't get checked in. They're in the CVS tree > now. They're also small, so here a tarball. They are autoconf generated files. :) For XEmacs (especially a package-ized XEmacs), it shouldn't matter that these will almost be static files. -Bill P.

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[Success] Zhong Wei on linuxppc and i686-linux 26 years, 12 months

Nobu Toge

Patched up from b47, Uzbek something. On linuxppc, I gave up on gcc 2.7.2, since this compiler is not properly handling symbol names exceeding 31 characters, leading to a build failure of temacs of b47. Now I switched to egcs 1.0.3a. For consistency's sake, I switched to egcs 1.0.3a on i686-linux, too. linuxppc ======== kernel 2.1.24 running on a PowerMac 7500/604/150 egcs-2.90.29 980515 (egcs-1.0.3 release) i686-linux ========== kernel 2.0.34 running on a DELL XPS333 egcs-2.90.29 980515 (egcs-1.0.3 release Will try on HPUX later. - Nobu Toge (toge(a)accad1.kek.jp) uname -a: Linux ptaro.kek.jp 2.1.24 #122 Thu Apr 9 10:27:39 EST 1998 ppc unknown ./configure '--dynamic=yes' '--error-checking=none' '--debug=no' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-site-lisp' '--prefix=/usr' '--with-xfs' '--with-canna' '--with-mule' '--package-path=/usr/lib/xemacspack' '--with-x' XEmacs 21.0 "Zhong Wei" configured for `powerpc-unknown-linux'. Where should the build process find the source code? /home/toge/XEmacs/xemacs-21.0-b47 What installation prefix should install use? /usr What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/powerpc.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion. Compiling in support for PNG image conversion. Compiling in support for TIFF image conversion. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files. uname -a: Linux lcdev.kek.jp 2.0.34 #1 Sat Jun 13 08:41:45 JST 1998 i686 unknown ./configure '--with-mule' '--with-canna' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--with-tty=yes' '--package-path=/usr/local/lib/xemacspack' XEmacs 21.0 "Zhong Wei" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Where should the build process find the source code? /home/toge/NONRH/XEmacs21.0/xemacs-21.0-b44 What installation prefix should install use? /usr/local What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes (Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the Linux C Library.) Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion. Compiling in support for PNG image conversion. Compiling in support for TIFF image conversion. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files. Using Lisp_Objects with minimal tagbits.

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 12 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: >>>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> If God had intended programmers to write constructs like: sb> (if <condition> sb> nil sb> <body>) >> Didn't you mean to say something like: sb> Yes, yes, yes. sb> Death to pedants! Computer are pedants. :-( sb> (:-) -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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Re: On est en finale :-) 26 years, 12 months

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Congratulations to the French! I wish you luck against Brazil. Well, that's done! 3 - 0 for France, unbelievable !! You should have seen Paris yesterday. It was hysterical. Since 10am, everybody riding a car was hooting. Less than 15 minutes after the victory, there were 1.2 million people on the Champs Elysees. I took the subway at 0.30 this morning, it was overcrowded with people singing and dacing, you would have thought of an earthshake in the train... No, really, as a non soccer addict, I must say that seing so many people and so much joy in the streets is really a nice show. And above all, I think it was the one and only time in the whole century where you could see the inhabitants of Paris hooting because they were .... *happy* !! -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: What is /usr/dt/lib? 26 years, 12 months

Didier Verna

Martin Buchholz <martin(a)xemacs.org> writes: > I see nothing wrong with detecting and using it. Neither do I. The discussion had turned to something unrelated to XEmacs (the choice of /usr/dt by people providing it, and some other totally sterile remarks I won't bother answering). But I agree that if this directory exists, we should use it. I hope this will close the discussion. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: Still can't build 21.0-b46 on Solaris 26 years, 12 months

Didier Verna

Dan Rich <drich(a)cisco.com> writes: > I made progress this week, and have a working b46! The only thing that > bothers me, is I'm not entirely sure why.... Based on the /usr/dt/lib > discussion, I decided to try building without CDE and ToolTalk. And, > removing tooltalk did the trick. It would be interesting if you ldd your different executables (with and without CDE) to see if you had duplicate libraries linked in (like X libs from X11 and openwin). --didier

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 12 months

SL Baur

[Um, who was it that reported the bug about spurious move-to-bottom-of-buffers? I just had it happen to me with `find-function-other-frame'. YAB to fix.] Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes: > SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: >> Lars, there are 459 usages of the `when' macro in the XEmacs core, and >> 2584 usages in external Lisp source. `when' is *never* going away >> regardless of whether we change the extension language. > Yes, but it wouldn't be Common Lisp `when', would it? It takes the > keywords :only-not-if, :otherwise-do-not and :not-when-otherwise-not. > These are *essential*. :-) :-) > Now that I think about it, I think what I tried to say was this: > Common Lisp defines lots of functions that are very general. If I > know that there is a function called `delete-if', I can guess that it > takes a keyword :key -- all these functions do. However, if I use a > Scheme function `delete-if', I don't really know anything about it, > since the standard doesn't define such a function, which again means > that there's a local implementation, and I wouldn't know which > parameters it takes. O.K. > Common Lisp is huge. And FSF Emacs is huge. XEmacs is huger. > Scheme is tiny. Because of this, Scheme implementations have to > provide a gazillion home-baked function, all with their twisty little > parameter lists. This, in effect, means that Scheme environments in > general are more work to learn than Common Lisp environments. > The issues that Common Lisp doesn't handle (buffers, marks, etc.), > Scheme doesn't handle either, so that's not really an issue, in my > opinion. Good points, all. > In the end, it may just come down to differences in taste, but I think > that CL enhances the productivity of programmers. Scheme, to me, is > manual *work*. It would make an excellent extension language for vi. > *duck* Not from me. I'd much rather have heated discussions and flamewars *now* rather after a code change. Absolutely nothing is written in any kind of hard material. Is anyone close to Eric? He doesn't seem to respond much to me any more, but his CL emacs proposal is as strong as anything we've seen so far.

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 12 months

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Lars, there are 459 usages of the `when' macro in the XEmacs core, and > 2584 usages in external Lisp source. `when' is *never* going away > regardless of whether we change the extension language. Yes, but it wouldn't be Common Lisp `when', would it? It takes the keywords :only-not-if, :otherwise-do-not and :not-when-otherwise-not. These are *essential*. :-) Now that I think about it, I think what I tried to say was this: Common Lisp defines lots of functions that are very general. If I know that there is a function called `delete-if', I can guess that it takes a keyword :key -- all these functions do. However, if I use a Scheme function `delete-if', I don't really know anything about it, since the standard doesn't define such a function, which again means that there's a local implementation, and I wouldn't know which parameters it takes. Common Lisp is huge. Scheme is tiny. Because of this, Scheme implementations have to provide a gazillion home-baked function, all with their twisty little parameter lists. This, in effect, means that Scheme environments in general are more work to learn than Common Lisp environments. The issues that Common Lisp doesn't handle (buffers, marks, etc.), Scheme doesn't handle either, so that's not really an issue, in my opinion. In the end, it may just come down to differences in taste, but I think that CL enhances the productivity of programmers. Scheme, to me, is manual *work*. It would make an excellent extension language for vi. *duck* -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi(a)ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 12 months

SL Baur

Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: >>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> If God had intended programmers to write constructs like: sb> (if <condition> sb> nil sb> <body>) > Didn't you mean to say something like: Yes, yes, yes. Death to pedants! (:-)

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