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Re: `The Bazaar' conference in new york? 25 years, 11 months

Colin Rafferty

> William M Perry <wmperry(a)aventail.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >> Wondered if anyone was going to be going to the bazaar conference >> (http://thebazarr.org/) in new york in march. I will definitely be going, if I can actually find any information about it (are you sure that's the correct URL?). SL Baur writes: > New York (IMO) is definitely someplace to visit. I wouldn't want to > live there, but it is a wonderful place to visit. Well, we wouldn't want anyone who didn't know better to be living here, either. -- Colin

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Re: Inhibit help echo while in the minibuffer 25 years, 11 months

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic writes: Hrvoje> I think it's very annoying to have help-echo displayed while the point Hrvoje> is in the minibuffer, because the "echo area" aspect of the minibuffer Hrvoje> windows interferes badly with its normal "input area" aspect. This is something that has annoyed me for a long time too. Another annoying thing is that sometimes, an active minibuffer (with a y-or-n question for instance) can be hidden by a message in the echo area. You have to move the leave and re-enter the frame with the mouse to see the minibuffer again. This makes me think that I would prefer to have separate zones for the minibuffer and the echo area. Along with the same lines, what I'd like to have is one minibuffer per frame (not following the focus) that could be used simultaneously without requiring recursion. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 73 46 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: why has mule gone all verbose? 25 years, 11 months

Didier Verna

SL Baur writes: >>> Speaking of localization ... >>> >>> Semi-off topic, but maybe not -- does XEmacs have to do anything special >>> due to the changeover to the new Euro currency in a few days? >> One thing that comes into mind ... display the currency glyph. sb> O.K. Any thoughts on how we are supposed to do that? XEmacs will have to support the new Latin-15 aka Latin-0 which contains an entry for the Euro[1] symbol. Footnotes: [1] what an awfull name, `Euro'... I found `Ecu' much prettier. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 73 46 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: why has mule gone all verbose? 25 years, 11 months

SL Baur

Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> GNU libc 2.0 does not support Asian sb> locales, but GNU libc 2.1 reportedly does, though I haven't sb> tested it yet. > I'm not sure I understand the ins and outs of Andy's problem, but on > the Linux side this is a FAQ here in Japan. The problem is as you > say that XFree86 made a policy decision to disable the X11 locale > code. This is not quite as dumb as forcing -rpath usage on linking X11 programs[1], but is right up there. > Since there are no Asian locales in glibc 2.0, this made many many > people unhappy. The usual solution was to downgrade to an older X11. > Most Japanese-capable Linux distributions (Debian-JP and TurboLinux) > have been using a dual libc5/libc6 solution (most apps are linked with > glibc-2 but the X11 libraries are linked against Linux libc5, yuck) > until very recently. Urgh. Yuck is right. ... > I haven't heard anything about the Asian locale support in libc 2.1. > On the list of projects for January.... It's implemented for some definition of `implemented' (this is from the test release glibc-2.0.108): $ lf /usr/share/i18n/locales POSIX en_AU es_AR es_MX eu_ES ga_IE ja_JP.ujis pt_PT tr_TR cs_CZ en_CA es_BO es_PA fi_FI gr_GR kl_GL ro_RO zh_CN da_DK en_CA,2.5 es_CL es_PE fo_FO he_IL lt_LT ru_RU de_AT en_DK es_CO es_PY fr_BE hr_HR lv_LV ru_SU de_BE en_DK.com es_DO es_SV fr_CA hu_HU nl_BE sk_SK de_CH en_GB es_EC es_US fr_CA,2.13 is_IS nl_NL sl_SI de_DE en_IE es_ES es_UY fr_CH it_IT no_NO sr_YU de_LU en_NZ es_GT es_VE fr_FR iw_IL pl_PL sv_FI el_GR en_US es_HN et_EE fr_LU ja_JP pt_BR sv_SE Do you know of any non-X11 programs with localized Japanese messages to test this with? On a similar note, I've noted that recent versions of rxvt appear to have Japanese functionality similar to the lightly maintained kterm. Footnotes: [1] They didn't do this for very long, but I was picking the lice out of my system for over a year afterwards.

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Re: why has mule gone all verbose? 25 years, 11 months

Norbert Koch

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Norbert Koch <n.koch(a)delta-ii.de> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > > > SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > ... > >> Do you know how your X11 was compiled? [...] > #define X_LOCALE 1 Ok, this one's missing here. > > done some fiddling with the sources? XFree version is 3.3.2.3 > > That's an odd version number. Is it an internal RedHat release? > The last XFree release I'm aware of is 3.3.3 (I haven't checked back > since November 29th, so I might be out of date). No, I've just checked, 3.3.3 is the current version. Maybe, it's time for an update ... > >> Speaking of localization ... > >> > >> Semi-off topic, but maybe not -- does XEmacs have to do anything > >> special due to the changeover to the new Euro currency in a few days? > > > One thing that comes into mind ... display the currency glyph. > > O.K. Any thoughts on how we are supposed to do that? Nope. I don't know where to get it, also I don't know its key code, ie when to show it. -- What a day, what a day, if you can look it in the face and hold your vomit!

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Re: cvs through firewalls 25 years, 11 months

William M. Perry

Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: > In case anyone's interested I'm going to submit this to the cvs folks > when I can verify that it works. I can't do this until our sysadmin wakes > up and allows cvs connections through the web server. If anyone else > wants to try it - be my guest.... This can be _very_ handy. We've actually added HTTP support to our auto-socksifier. So that you can tunnel all TCP/IP traffic through the web server like this. You can actually traverse multiple ones too - it's fun testing things like 'ftp client -> HTTP -> socksv4 -> socksv5 -> ftp server' - just _TRY_ to figure out what step in the chain is going wrong when your ftp downloads get truncated. :) I was thinking of adding generic support for redirecting traffic like this to socks.el... will have to do some hacking around with it next week perhaps. -Bill P.

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Re: I'm back, I think 25 years, 11 months

Michael Harnois

On 27 Dec 1998 03:12:40 -0800, SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> said: > I appear to have survived my second round of surgery. At least > I'm not on any drugs other than antibiotics any more. Is that good? Antibiotics are boring, but some of the others can be quite amusing! -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA mharnois(a)willinet.net aa0bt(a)aa0bt.ampr.org Never, "for the sake of peace and quiet," deny your own experience or convictions. -- Dag Hammarskjold

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cvs through firewalls 25 years, 11 months

Andy Piper

In case anyone's interested I'm going to submit this to the cvs folks when I can verify that it works. I can't do this until our sysadmin wakes up and allows cvs connections through the web server. If anyone else wants to try it - be my guest.... Its against cvs 1.10.3 andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

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I'm back, I think 25 years, 11 months

SL Baur

I appear to have survived my second round of surgery. At least I'm not on any drugs other than antibiotics any more. I hope you all are having a good holiday.

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Re: why has mule gone all verbose? 25 years, 11 months

SL Baur

Norbert Koch <n.koch(a)delta-ii.de> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: ... >> Do you know how your X11 was compiled? > Can't find any information for this right now. Martin fixed this some time ago. XEmacs configure runs xmkmf (which I presume is functional on any Linux distribution) and saves the options it wants. Look in src/config.h as a last resort: /* Defines for building X applications */ #ifdef HAVE_X_WINDOWS /* The following will be defined if xmkmf thinks they are necessary */ /* #undef SVR4 */ /* #undef SYSV */ /* #undef AIXV3 */ #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 #define _BSD_SOURCE 1 #define _SVID_SOURCE 1 #define X_LOCALE 1 #define NARROWPROTO 1 /* The following should always be defined, no matter what xmkmf thinks. */ #ifndef NeedFunctionPrototypes #define NeedFunctionPrototypes 1 #endif #ifndef FUNCPROTO #define FUNCPROTO 15 #endif #endif /* HAVE_X_WINDOWS */ > I only have installed the rpms, no special setup. Has anybody else > done some fiddling with the sources? XFree version is 3.3.2.3 > according to Redhat's Web page. That's an odd version number. Is it an internal RedHat release? The last XFree release I'm aware of is 3.3.3 (I haven't checked back since November 29th, so I might be out of date). >> Speaking of localization ... >> >> Semi-off topic, but maybe not -- does XEmacs have to do anything >> special due to the changeover to the new Euro currency in a few days? > One thing that comes into mind ... display the currency glyph. O.K. Any thoughts on how we are supposed to do that?

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