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XEmacs 21 /vs./ my keyboard: I want my DEL back 25 years, 11 months

Karl Kleinpaste

I rebind my keyboard under X to swap two pairs of keys, `~ & ESC and BS & DEL. (This is of course because such placement is The Way God Intended Them To Be, where God was on an extended visit to DEC during the time that DEC was creating the VT100.) Normally, this is fine: XEmacs run as an X application correctly informs me via `C-h c' in the *scratch* buffer that "DEL runs the command backward-or-forward-delete-char"; when running Gnus and having entered a *Summary*, I learn that "B DEL runs the command gnus-summary-delete-article". When XEmacs is run in an xterm, however, I learn instead that "BS runs the command delete-backward-char" and "B BS is undefined". Worse, it knows that the key marked "Delete" is generating '\010', because it induces help functions just like typing an actual "Control H". I know the keyboard is sending the right characters (\177s generated using C-v): [1157] [14:10:37] beaver:~> od -c ^?^?^?^? 0000000 177 177 177 177 \n 0000005 It's not a BS, it's a DEL. There's an important difference between them, and I picked the specified meaning myself. What is giving XEmacs the idea that it should make some silly extra remapping just because I'm running it inside an xterm? XEmacs 21.2-b7, Linux RH5.1, assorted XFree 3.3.2.3 RPMs.

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Re: `The Bazaar' conference in new york? 25 years, 11 months

William M. Perry

bill(a)carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) writes: > matt> But then again, it really would be hard to beat the aesthetic > matt> appeal of Silicon Valley, wouldn't it? > > matt> 11. Thou shalt know that thou hast entered the next city [sic] > matt> when thou seest that the stores have begun to repeat. Again. > > I think you must be confusing Silicon Valley with Long Island. All you big-city folks have the same problem. :) You should have lived in vincennes indiana. Population 20,000, counting students. :) -Bill P.

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Re: Changes at www.xemacs.org and ftp.xemacs.org 25 years, 11 months

Tor Arntsen

On Dec 30, 1:02, Martin Buchholz wrote: [...] >Updated ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/beta/README. That file used >to claim that the subscribe request to xemacs-beta-request(a)xemacs.org >should go in the Subject instead of the body. That's not true, is it? >Or at least not any more? [...] I thought the new method of subscribing to xemacs-beta was subscribe xemacs-beta [your＠address] in the body of a mail to majordomo(a)xemacs.org? At least that's how I did it when I resubscribed a few days ago, and it seems to work ;-) - Tor

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Re: tar-mode require'd in 21.2.7 25 years, 11 months

SL Baur

Vin Shelton <acs(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > In 21.0 and earlier, all that's necessary to get tar-mode automatically > enabled is: > (autoload 'tar-mode "tar-mode") This is redundant. If you have tar-mode installed (it's in the os-utils package) this autoload is already done for you. > If I start xemacs -vanilla and eval that statement, editing a tarfile, eg. > "db-2.6.4.tar", comes up correctly in tar-mode. > Now in 21.2, that no longer works. If I edit "db-2.6.4.tar" under > 21.2, the buffer comes up in fundamental mode. Problem reproduced in my environment. I haven't built 21.2.7 yet, but 21.2.6 behaves as you describe and 21.0 comes up in tar mode. > In fact, when I try to run M-x tar-mode, I get "[No match]". This has always been the case with the tar-mode.el in XEmacs. ... See also: variables `tar-update-datestamp' and `tar-anal-blocksize'. \\{tar-mode-map}" ;; this is not interactive because you shouldn't be turning this ;; mode on and off. You can corrupt things that way. (make-local-variable 'tar-header-offset)

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Re: `The Bazaar' conference in new york? 25 years, 11 months

WJCarpenter

matt> But then again, it really would be hard to beat the aesthetic matt> appeal of Silicon Valley, wouldn't it? matt> 11. Thou shalt know that thou hast entered the next city [sic] matt> when thou seest that the stores have begun to repeat. Again. I think you must be confusing Silicon Valley with Long Island. -- bill(a)carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) PGP bill(a)bubblegum.net 0x91865119 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25 73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3

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a problem with configure 25 years, 11 months

giacomo boffi

recently, i "upgraded" my system to RH5.2 now i'm trying to build 21-2.8 on "Linux boffi95.stru.polimi.it 2.0.36 #1 Tue Oct 13 22:17:11 EDT 1998 i586 unknown", but i'm baffled 'cs configure seems unable to recognize my system in particular, configure spits out: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (No uname command or uname output not recognized.) ./configure: Usage error: XEmacs has not been ported to this host type. Try explicitly specifying the CONFIGURATION when rerunning configure. Use `./configure --help' to show usage. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (the 1st output line comes from a line of config.guess that i uncommented) btw, i never had similar problems with configure... i attach the output of "sh -x config.guess > config.guess.out 2>&1" + UNAME_MACHINE=i586 + UNAME_RELEASE=2.0.36 + UNAME_SYSTEM=Linux + UNAME_VERSION=#1 Tue Oct 13 22:17:11 EDT 1998 + trap rm -f dummy.c dummy.o dummy; exit 1 1 2 15 ++ ld --help + ld_help_string=Usage: ld [options] file... Options: -a KEYWORD Shared library control for HP/UX compatibility -A ARCH, --architecture ARCH Set architecture -b TARGET, --format TARGET Specify target for following input files -c FILE, --mri-script FILE Read MRI format linker script -d, -dc, -dp Force common symbols to be defined -e ADDRESS, --entry ADDRESS Set start address -E, --export-dynamic Export all dynamic symbols -f SHLIB, --auxiliary SHLIB Auxiliary filter for shared object symbol table -F SHLIB, --filter SHLIB Filter for shared object symbol table -g Ignored -G SIZE, --gpsize SIZE Small data size (if no size, same as --shared) -h FILENAME, -soname FILENAME Set internal name of shared library -l LIBNAME, --library LIBNAME Search for library LIBNAME -L DIRECTORY, --library-path DIRECTORY Add DIRECTORY to library search path -m EMULATION Set emulation -M, --print-map Print map file on standard output -n, --nmagic Do not page align data -N, --omagic Do not page align data, do not make text readonly -o FILE, --output FILE Set output file name -O Ignored -r, -i, --relocateable Generate relocateable output -R FILE, --just-symbols FILE Just link symbols (if directory, same as --rpath) -s, --strip-all Strip all symbols -S, --strip-debug Strip debugging symbols -t, --trace Trace file opens -T FILE, --script FILE Read linker script -u SYMBOL, --undefined SYMBOL Start with undefined reference to SYMBOL -v, --version Print version information -V Print version and emulation information -x, --discard-all Discard all local symbols -X, --discard-locals Discard temporary local symbols -y SYMBOL, --trace-symbol SYMBOL Trace mentions of SYMBOL -Y PATH Default search path for Solaris compatibility -z KEYWORD Ignored for Solaris compatibility -(, --start-group Start a group -), --end-group End a group -assert KEYWORD Ignored for SunOS compatibility -Bdynamic, -dy, -call_shared Link against shared libraries -Bstatic, -dn, -non_shared, -static Do not link against shared libraries -Bsymbolic Bind global references locally --cref Output cross reference table --defsym SYMBOL=EXPRESSION Define a symbol --dynamic-linker PROGRAM Set the dynamic linker to use -EB Link big-endian objects -EL Link little-endian objects --embedded-relocs Generate embedded relocs --force-exe-suffix Force generation of file with .exe suffix --help Print option help -Map FILE Write a map file --multilib-dir PATH Specify a target directory --no-keep-memory Use less memory and more disk I/O --no-warn-mismatch Don't warn about mismatched input files --no-whole-archive Turn off --whole-archive --noinhibit-exec Create an output file even if errors occur --oformat TARGET Specify target of output file -qmagic Ignored for Linux compatibility -Qy Ignored for SVR4 compatibility --relax Relax branches on certain targets --retain-symbols-file FILE Keep only symbols listed in FILE -rpath PATH Set runtime shared library search path -rpath-link PATH Set link time shared library search path -shared, -Bshareable Create a shared library --sort-common Sort common symbols by size --split-by-file Split output sections for each file --split-by-reloc COUNT Split output sections every COUNT relocs --stats Print memory usage statistics --task-link SYMBOL Do task level linking --traditional-format Use same format as native linker -Tbss ADDRESS Set address of .bss section -Tdata ADDRESS Set address of .data section -Ttext ADDRESS Set address of .text section -Ur Build global constructor/destructor tables --verbose Output lots of information during link --version-script FILE Read version information script --warn-common Warn about duplicate common symbols --warn-constructors Warn if global constructors/destructors are seen --warn-multiple-gp Warn if the multiple GP values are used --warn-once Warn only once per undefined symbol --warn-section-align Warn if start of section changes due to alignment --whole-archive Include all objects from following archives --wrap SYMBOL Use wrapper functions for SYMBOL ld: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex trad-core ld: supported emulations: elf_i386 i386linux Report bugs to bug-gnu-utils(a)gnu.org and hjl(a)lucon.org ++ echo Usage: ld [options] file... Options: -a KEYWORD Shared library control for HP/UX compatibility -A ARCH, --architecture ARCH Set architecture -b TARGET, --format TARGET Specify target for following input files -c FILE, --mri-script FILE Read MRI format linker script -d, -dc, -dp Force common symbols to be defined -e ADDRESS, --entry ADDRESS Set start address -E, --export-dynamic Export all dynamic symbols -f SHLIB, --auxiliary SHLIB Auxiliary filter for shared object symbol table -F SHLIB, --filter SHLIB Filter for shared object symbol table -g Ignored -G SIZE, --gpsize SIZE Small data size (if no size, same as --shared) -h FILENAME, -soname FILENAME Set internal name of shared library -l LIBNAME, --library LIBNAME Search for library LIBNAME -L DIRECTORY, --library-path DIRECTORY Add DIRECTORY to library search path -m EMULATION Set emulation -M, --print-map Print map file on standard output -n, --nmagic Do not page align data -N, --omagic Do not page align data, do not make text readonly -o FILE, --output FILE Set output file name -O Ignored -r, -i, --relocateable Generate relocateable output -R FILE, --just-symbols FILE Just link symbols (if directory, same as --rpath) -s, --strip-all Strip all symbols -S, --strip-debug Strip debugging symbols -t, --trace Trace file opens -T FILE, --script FILE Read linker script -u SYMBOL, --undefined SYMBOL Start with undefined reference to SYMBOL -v, --version Print version information -V Print version and emulation information -x, --discard-all Discard all local symbols -X, --discard-locals Discard temporary local symbols -y SYMBOL, --trace-symbol SYMBOL Trace mentions of SYMBOL -Y PATH Default search path for Solaris compatibility -z KEYWORD Ignored for Solaris compatibility -(, --start-group Start a group -), --end-group End a group -assert KEYWORD Ignored for SunOS compatibility -Bdynamic, -dy, -call_shared Link against shared libraries -Bstatic, -dn, -non_shared, -static Do not link against shared libraries -Bsymbolic Bind global references locally --cref Output cross reference table --defsym SYMBOL=EXPRESSION Define a symbol --dynamic-linker PROGRAM Set the dynamic linker to use -EB Link big-endian objects -EL Link little-endian objects --embedded-relocs Generate embedded relocs --force-exe-suffix Force generation of file with .exe suffix --help Print option help -Map FILE Write a map file --multilib-dir PATH Specify a target directory --no-keep-memory Use less memory and more disk I/O --no-warn-mismatch Don't warn about mismatched input files --no-whole-archive Turn off --whole-archive --noinhibit-exec Create an output file even if errors occur --oformat TARGET Specify target of output file -qmagic Ignored for Linux compatibility -Qy Ignored for SVR4 compatibility --relax Relax branches on certain targets --retain-symbols-file FILE Keep only symbols listed in FILE -rpath PATH Set runtime shared library search path -rpath-link PATH Set link time shared library search path -shared, -Bshareable Create a shared library --sort-common Sort common symbols by size --split-by-file Split output sections for each file --split-by-reloc COUNT Split output sections every COUNT relocs --stats Print memory usage statistics --task-link SYMBOL Do task level linking --traditional-format Use same format as native linker -Tbss ADDRESS Set address of .bss section -Tdata ADDRESS Set address of .data section -Ttext ADDRESS Set address of .text section -Ur Build global constructor/destructor tables --verbose Output lots of information during link --version-script FILE Read version information script --warn-common Warn about duplicate common symbols --warn-constructors Warn if global constructors/destructors are seen --warn-multiple-gp Warn if the multiple GP values are used --warn-once Warn only once per undefined symbol --warn-section-align Warn if start of section changes due to alignment --whole-archive Include all objects from following archives --wrap SYMBOL Use wrapper functions for SYMBOL ld: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex trad-core ld: supported emulations: elf_i386 i386linux Report bugs to bug-gnu-utils(a)gnu.org and hjl(a)lucon.org ++ sed -ne /supported emulations:/!d s/[ ][ ]*/ /g s/.*supported emulations: *// s/ .*// p + ld_supported_emulations=elf_i386 + test i586 = alpha + test i586 = mips + echo Usage: ld [options] file... Options: -a KEYWORD Shared library control for HP/UX compatibility -A ARCH, --architecture ARCH Set architecture -b TARGET, --format TARGET Specify target for following input files -c FILE, --mri-script FILE Read MRI format linker script -d, -dc, -dp Force common symbols to be defined -e ADDRESS, --entry ADDRESS Set start address -E, --export-dynamic Export all dynamic symbols -f SHLIB, --auxiliary SHLIB Auxiliary filter for shared object symbol table -F SHLIB, --filter SHLIB Filter for shared object symbol table -g Ignored -G SIZE, --gpsize SIZE Small data size (if no size, same as --shared) -h FILENAME, -soname FILENAME Set internal name of shared library -l LIBNAME, --library LIBNAME Search for library LIBNAME -L DIRECTORY, --library-path DIRECTORY Add DIRECTORY to library search path -m EMULATION Set emulation -M, --print-map Print map file on standard output -n, --nmagic Do not page align data -N, --omagic Do not page align data, do not make text readonly -o FILE, --output FILE Set output file name -O Ignored -r, -i, --relocateable Generate relocateable output -R FILE, --just-symbols FILE Just link symbols (if directory, same as --rpath) -s, --strip-all Strip all symbols -S, --strip-debug Strip debugging symbols -t, --trace Trace file opens -T FILE, --script FILE Read linker script -u SYMBOL, --undefined SYMBOL Start with undefined reference to SYMBOL -v, --version Print version information -V Print version and emulation information -x, --discard-all Discard all local symbols -X, --discard-locals Discard temporary local symbols -y SYMBOL, --trace-symbol SYMBOL Trace mentions of SYMBOL -Y PATH Default search path for Solaris compatibility -z KEYWORD Ignored for Solaris compatibility -(, --start-group Start a group -), --end-group End a group -assert KEYWORD Ignored for SunOS compatibility -Bdynamic, -dy, -call_shared Link against shared libraries -Bstatic, -dn, -non_shared, -static Do not link against shared libraries -Bsymbolic Bind global references locally --cref Output cross reference table --defsym SYMBOL=EXPRESSION Define a symbol --dynamic-linker PROGRAM Set the dynamic linker to use -EB Link big-endian objects -EL Link little-endian objects --embedded-relocs Generate embedded relocs --force-exe-suffix Force generation of file with .exe suffix --help Print option help -Map FILE Write a map file --multilib-dir PATH Specify a target directory --no-keep-memory Use less memory and more disk I/O --no-warn-mismatch Don't warn about mismatched input files --no-whole-archive Turn off --whole-archive --noinhibit-exec Create an output file even if errors occur --oformat TARGET Specify target of output file -qmagic Ignored for Linux compatibility -Qy Ignored for SVR4 compatibility --relax Relax branches on certain targets --retain-symbols-file FILE Keep only symbols listed in FILE -rpath PATH Set runtime shared library search path -rpath-link PATH Set link time shared library search path -shared, -Bshareable Create a shared library --sort-common Sort common symbols by size --split-by-file Split output sections for each file --split-by-reloc COUNT Split output sections every COUNT relocs --stats Print memory usage statistics --task-link SYMBOL Do task level linking --traditional-format Use same format as native linker -Tbss ADDRESS Set address of .bss section -Tdata ADDRESS Set address of .data section -Ttext ADDRESS Set address of .text section -Ur Build global constructor/destructor tables --verbose Output lots of information during link --version-script FILE Read version information script --warn-common Warn about duplicate common symbols --warn-constructors Warn if global constructors/destructors are seen --warn-multiple-gp Warn if the multiple GP values are used --warn-once Warn only once per undefined symbol --warn-section-align Warn if start of section changes due to alignment --whole-archive Include all objects from following archives --wrap SYMBOL Use wrapper functions for SYMBOL ld: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex trad-core ld: supported emulations: elf_i386 i386linux Report bugs to bug-gnu-utils(a)gnu.org and hjl(a)lucon.org + grep supported emulations: + test 0 != 0 + VENDOR=pc + cat + cc dummy.c -o dummy + rm -f dummy.c dummy + echo (No uname command or uname output not recognized.) (No uname command or uname output not recognized.) + cat + cc dummy.c -o dummy + rm -f dummy.c dummy + test -d /usr/apollo + [ -x /usr/convex/getsysinfo ] + exit 1

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Re: Building from CVS (bootstrap from 20.4) 25 years, 11 months

Colin Rafferty

Peter B West writes: > I have the rpm of 20.4 on CD, so I installed that, hoping to bootstrap > from it. Unfortunately, this one seems to have no mule support in it. > I downloaded the mule-base package, and untarred it first into > /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages, then into /usr/lib/xemacs-20.4, > where the rpm installs. First of all, the Mule of 20.4 and the Mule of 21.0 are entirely incompatible. You would not be able to bootstrap Mule off 20.4. The correct place for the mule-base package is somewhere in /usr/local/lib/xemacs, not xemacs-20.4. > An attempt to `make bindist' in the packages, gives me: > xemacs -no-autoloads -batch -l ../../package-compile.el -- -- > add-log.el > Symbol's function definition is void: paths-find-emacs-roots This sounds like you are specifying your package-path incorrectly. You are most likely putting xemacs-20.4 ahead of 21.0 on the path. This is wrong, but there is no documentatino to tell you any of this. Try this for your package=path configure option. It should work: --package-path=~/.xemacs::/usr/local/xemacs/xemacs-packages::/usr/lib/xemacs-20.4 Make sure that you get those colons right. If you have your mule packages in a different directory (/usr/local/xemacs/mule-packages), it should look like this: --package-path=~/.xemacs::/usr/local/xemacs/mule-packages:/usr/local/xemacs/xemacs-packages::/usr/lib/xemacs-20.4 This should do for you what you want. Later, add new packages into /usr/local/xemacs/xemacs-packages, and they will override the stuff in 20.4. -- Colin

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Re: leim packages inaccessible 25 years, 11 months

Norbert Koch

"Peter B. West" <p.west(a)uq.net.au> writes: > Trying to checkout xemacs-leim, get the following response: > cvs [server aborted]: there is no repository > /usr/CVSroot/XEmacs/xemacs-packages/mule/liem ^^ > Obviously a typo somewhere. Yup :-) cheers, norbert. -- Somebody should have told him that being a physicist, on a planet where the smartest animals hate being alive so much, means never having to say you're sorry.

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leim packages inaccessible 25 years, 11 months

Peter B. West

Trying to checkout xemacs-leim, get the following response: cvs [server aborted]: there is no repository /usr/CVSroot/XEmacs/xemacs-packages/mule/liem Obviously a typo somewhere. -- __ /__ Peter B. West p.west(a)uq.net.au / http://www.uq.net.au/~zzpwest / "Lord, to whom shall we go?"

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Building from CVS 25 years, 11 months

Peter B. West

I had much difficulty in getting cvs update to work on the packages a few days ago, probably due to server congestion. When I finally got the update working, I ran into compile problems. My last compile of the betas was probably in about September, and I made the mistake of making clean too early in the cycle, so I do not have a beta to work with. I have the rpm of 20.4 on CD, so I installed that, hoping to bootstrap from it. Unfortunately, this one seems to have no mule support in it. I downloaded the mule-base package, and untarred it first into /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages, then into /usr/lib/xemacs-20.4, where the rpm installs. An attempt to `make bindist' in the packages, gives me: xemacs -no-autoloads -batch -l ../../package-compile.el -- -- add-log.el Symbol's function definition is void: paths-find-emacs-roots An attempt to `make all' of emacs proper gives me: Dumping under the name xemacs Purespace usage: 894384 of 894384 (100%). Testing for Lisp shadows ... Symbol's function definition is void: list-load-path-shadows xemacs exiting. Followed a little later by: Compiling files without .elc... /opt2/src/xemacs/xemacs-20/src/xemacs -batch -vanilla -f batch-byte-compile lisp/./finder-inf.el At this point, make falls into deep meditation on its own navel, never to return. Top shows the make sleeping. I have reconfigured to specify package-path for the newly-installed mule-base package, to no avail. My CVS updates have, I assumed, left me with 21.0.something, rather than the 21.2's. I seem to remember from sometime ago that these would bootstrap from 20.4. Is the problem that I have a no-mule rpm? How can I build from the CVS sources? -- __ /__ Peter B. West p.west(a)uq.net.au / http://www.uq.net.au/~zzpwest / "Lord, to whom shall we go?"

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