Paul> It would be especially cool if the package included not only Paul> doxymacs but doxygen itself; but that may be beyond the Paul> current state-of-the-art in packaging technology. What do Paul> the experts say? How complex is doxygen? Steve Y already has a package (eicq) which builds and installs a helper app. Of course JDE does something similar. So I don't see why it's un-doable. Several of us would like to see T. V. Raman's Emacspeak packaged, too. BTW, is it GPL or can we distribute it under GPL? (I don't know what's going on at the FSF these days, but I took a look at Mailman and they say "we recommend running Mailman under Python 2.0.1 because 2.1/2.2 aren't GPL yet". WTF?! Maybe we should recommend running XEmacs under Linux because Windows 2000 isn't GPL yet? Anyway, I'm thinking paranoid in advance.) -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."

|--==> "PK" == Paul Krause <paulkrause1(a)mediaone.net&gt; writes: PK> Doxymacs is GPL, and the elisp in doxymacs.el is very simple, PK> just a bunch of tempo templates and helper functions. It has PK> dependencies on W3 and tempo. I had a quick look at doxymacs. What's that C app that comes with it about? Does the package need it? If it does, that would be a big reason why I wouldn't want it in XEmacs packages. And before anyone says "well what about your package, Eicq, bucko?", I made a mistake in putting Eicq into XEmacs packages and the only reason it's still there is because I haven't gotten around to removing it. -- |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 9E7E2820>---| | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. | | It's a way of life. | |------------------------------------&lt;youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt;---|

|--==> "DP" == Daniel Pittman <daniel(a)rimspace.net&gt; writes: DP> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Steve Youngs wrote: DP> It's a faster version of the XML parser that it uses to find things in DP> the tags-alike data that Doxygen spits out. You don't /need/ it but it DP> might help. Ship the source. :) Sounds good. Would you like to have a crack at turning it into an XEmacs package? Just yell if you need help. DP> Ah, you /are/ the author of Eicq. So, can I ask you annoying questions DP> about it, such as "has it ever worked through a SOCKS proxy?" and "would DP> you expect it to?" Not to the best of my knowledge, and, probably not.[1] DP> Oh, and "when it doesn't, what debugging can I do to find out why?" ;) (setq eicq-log-debug-flag t) There are also a couple of calls to a function called 'debug_socket' in icq2tcp.c that you could uncomment. And you can look at the 'eicq-bridge' buffer. If you need any more help with debugging something in Eicq ask on <eicq-devel(a)lists.sf.net&gt;. Footnotes: [1] Contact me privately if you'd be interested in helping to implement SOCKS support in Eicq. -- |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 9E7E2820>---| | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. | | It's a way of life. | |------------------------------------&lt;youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt;---|

|--==> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes: Paul> It would be especially cool if the package included not only Paul> doxymacs but doxygen itself; but that may be beyond the Paul> current state-of-the-art in packaging technology. What do the Paul> experts say? SJT> How complex is doxygen? Steve Y already has a package (eicq) SJT> which builds and installs a helper app. And it's awkward inside of Packages to say the least. Because the helper app gets built on my machine so anyone who doesn't share my choices in OS, compiler, libraries etc can't use it. No problem if the users builds the XEmacs package Eicq from source, but the vast majority of users Don't do that. SJT> BTW, is it GPL or can we distribute it under GPL? (I don't SJT> know what's going on at the FSF these days, but I took a look SJT> at Mailman and they say "we recommend running Mailman under SJT> Python 2.0.1 because 2.1/2.2 aren't GPL yet". WTF?! Maybe we SJT> should recommend running XEmacs under Linux because Windows SJT> 2000 isn't GPL yet? That'd get my vote. :-) -- |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 9E7E2820>---| | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. | | It's a way of life. | |------------------------------------&lt;youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt;---|

Andrew> I don't have "right of veto", but (IMHO) idea of packaging Andrew> of doxygen's binary with doxymacs (or any another major or Andrew> minor mode) should be vetoed. I see. So should we remove etags and movemail? I think doxygen is quite analogous to etags, although more complex. And etags is in the core. It all depends on how much work the maintainer wants to do. If someone wants to maintain a doxygen.el package, and supply doxygen with it, and address the problems of ensuring the necessary dependencies are present on user machines, I don't see a problem with that. If it's that tough, then we'll have problems finding a maintainer willing to do the work. So this will veto itself. If it doesn't, as far as we're concerned it's just some more disk space. As far as users are concerned, doxygen.el is useless without doxygen, so they won't install the package if they're unwilling to install the dependencies. Am I missing something? -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Yes. To me, as a user, having doxymacs.el packages would be wonderful, especially if the vague problems that my personal copy has WRT priority of it's font locking were solved.[1] Having a version of doxygen download with it would irritate me no end because: * I use the Debian package of Doxygen on this machine. * I maintain machines where Doxygen run remotely, never on that machine. * Doxygen is big, doxymacs.el isn't. The last point is probably far more a concern for me here in Australia and for th British, both of which are countries where bandwidth is close to prohibitively expensive. So, in summary: I need Doxygen to make this produce output ... but I get this from somewhere other than XEmacs -- and *doxymacs* is still useful without the ability to run the tool and produce the results. Daniel Footnotes: [1] Can anyone suggest a quick way of fixing it so that it's font lock faces don't get covered over by the comment face when fontifying the buffer? -- And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } In a good bird bath? I'd expect to find birds. } In a bad bird bath, tarantulas.