10:37 p.m.
Rodney Sparapani wrote:
On 03/ 5/11 05:45 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
[...]
> * what does "M-! xrdb -query | grep -i font" report?
(I know Rodney has
> said there is nothing in .Xresources, but maybe something else is
> creating font specifications behind his back.)
*DtEditor*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*Font: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
*FontList: -dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*FontSet: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
*XmText*FontList: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmTextField*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*buttonFontList: -dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*labelFontList: -dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*systemFont: -dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*textFontList: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*userFont: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
> * run M-x edit-faces and see if it shows anything interesting. (In
> particular, what font does it show for the default face. And do the
> other faces seem derived from default, or do they seem to be derived
> from something else.)
viper-search Black khaki
-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
(*Face used to flash out the search pattern.)
widget #000000 #dddddd
-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
(widget face)
yellow yellow #dddddd
-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
(yellow text.)
zmacs-region #000000 gray65
-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
(Used on highlighted region between point and mark.)
The setting
*Font: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
is what's biting you.
If my custom.el has
(custom-set-faces
'(default ((t (:size "14pt" :family "Times"))) t)
[other font settings omitted]
)
and xrdb shows no font settings, I get Times when I start XEmacs. If I
add a setting for
*Font: -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-100-*-*-*-iso8859-*
(e.g., by editing $HOME/.Xdefaults and invoking "xrdb -merge
$HOME/.Xdefaults") and then restart XEmacs, I get Helvetica instead.
I guess you'll have to do some digging to figure out where those font
settings are coming from. FWIW, I associate the dt-mumble fonts with
CDE.
mike
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New subject: [Bug: 21.5-b29] Xemacs ignores custom.el
On Monday, March 07, 2011 4:37 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
The setting
*Font: -dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
is what's biting you.
If my custom.el has
(custom-set-faces
'(default ((t (:size "14pt" :family "Times"))) t)
[other font settings omitted]
)
and xrdb shows no font settings, I get Times when I start XEmacs. If I
add a setting for
*Font: -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-100-*-*-*-iso8859-*
(e.g., by editing $HOME/.Xdefaults and invoking "xrdb -merge
$HOME/.Xdefaults") and then restart XEmacs, I get Helvetica instead.
I guess you'll have to do some digging to figure out where those font
settings are coming from. FWIW, I associate the dt-mumble fonts with
CDE.
mike
Hi Mike:
But, it works for stable. What has changed to make this not work anymore?
As someone who uses stable on a daily basis, it would really help if there was
a beta available for testing that doesn't need some special setup.
Thanks,
Rodney
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4:38 a.m.
New subject: [Bug: 21.5-b29] Xemacs ignores custom.el
Sparapani, Rodney writes:
But, it works for stable. What has changed to make this not work
anymore?
A large number of changes at several levels of code (lwlib, core C,
Lisp) in several areas (high-level redisplay, face handling, MULE)
have been made, for many different reasons.
Identifying what causes this is going to need to be done by somebody
who can observe the problem, I suspect.
As someone who uses stable on a daily basis, it would really help if
there was
a beta available for testing that doesn't need some special setup.
That would be nice, but that's not the way that betas work, by
definition. If betas could be expected to Just Work, they'd be
stable. I also don't think it's reasonable to expect any X
application to work as expected without app-specific setup, in the
face of xrdb spam like that shown in your report. "*Font", indeed!
<snort />
That said, there is an XEmacs bug here. Customize *is* app-specific
setup and *should* override the xrdb. But I don't have a guess
offhand why it doesn't. It would be nice if somebody who can
reproduce the problem would single step through the custom-set-faces
call to see at what point the attempt to apply the custom face fails
(if it does; I suppose it's also possible that customize succeeds but
some kind of post-processing code gets invoked that proceeds to check
for xrdb settings and overrides customize again).
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New subject: [Bug: 21.5-b29] Xemacs ignores custom.el
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
It would be nice if somebody who can reproduce the problem would
single step through the custom-set-faces call to see at what point the
attempt to apply the custom face fails (if it does; I suppose it's
also possible that customize succeeds but some kind of post-processing
code gets invoked that proceeds to check for xrdb settings and
overrides customize again).
I'll try to look at this some more, but it might be a couple weeks
before I get to it.
mike
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New subject: [Bug: 21.5-b29] Xemacs ignores custom.el
On 03/ 7/11 10:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Sparapani, Rodney writes:
> But, it works for stable. What has changed to make this not work
> anymore?
A large number of changes at several levels of code (lwlib, core C,
Lisp) in several areas (high-level redisplay, face handling, MULE)
have been made, for many different reasons.
Identifying what causes this is going to need to be done by somebody
who can observe the problem, I suspect.
> As someone who uses stable on a daily basis, it would really help if there was
> a beta available for testing that doesn't need some special setup.
That would be nice, but that's not the way that betas work, by
definition. If betas could be expected to Just Work, they'd be
stable. I also don't think it's reasonable to expect any X
application to work as expected without app-specific setup, in the
face of xrdb spam like that shown in your report. "*Font", indeed!
<snort />
That said, there is an XEmacs bug here. Customize *is* app-specific
setup and *should* override the xrdb. But I don't have a guess
offhand why it doesn't. It would be nice if somebody who can
reproduce the problem would single step through the custom-set-faces
call to see at what point the attempt to apply the custom face fails
(if it does; I suppose it's also possible that customize succeeds but
some kind of post-processing code gets invoked that proceeds to check
for xrdb settings and overrides customize again).
I understand what you are saying.
I'm just giving my opinion why
this bug should be in the top ten to be fixed. We want more testers,
right? Without testers, this bug would not have been identified.
It's continuous quality improvement. So, as the bugs get fixed,
we build momentum and, hopefully, gather more testers. I have no
doubt that beta has some outstanding new features that the stable
masses would love to get their hands on.
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New subject: [Bug: 21.5-b29] Xemacs ignores custom.el
On 03/ 7/11 04:37 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
I guess you'll have to do some digging to figure out where those font
settings are coming from. FWIW, I associate the dt-mumble fonts with
CDE.
mike
Hi Mike:
So, I figured that I had done something stupid. But, none of my
preferences seem to be non-standard. And, as you guessed, these
setting are coming from CDE. In my case, they are the standard
settings found in /usr/dt/config/en_US/sys.font
!#################################################################
!#
!# sys.font: The default session font resource file
!#
!# placed in: /usr/dt/config/C/sys.fonts
!#
!# (c) Copyright 1993, 1994 Hewlett-Packard Company
!# (c) Copyright 1993, 1994 International Business Machines Corp.
!# (c) Copyright 1993, 1994 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
!# (c) Copyright 1993, 1994 Novell, Inc.
!#################################################################
!###
!#
!# Font Resource Specifications
!#
!# Font resource values must be a valid font alias name.
!#
!# Font resource values must match exactly the default font resources
!# specified in /usr/dt/app-defaults/%L/Dtstyle
!###
#if WIDTH > 1175
!###
!# High Resolution Displays
!#
!###
*FontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*buttonFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*labelFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmText*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmTextField*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*systemFont: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*userFont: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*DtEditor*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*Font: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
*FontSet: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
#else
#if WIDTH > 850
!###
!# Medium Resolution Displays
!###
*FontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*buttonFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*labelFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmText*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmTextField*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*systemFont: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*userFont: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*DtEditor*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*Font: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
*FontSet: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
#else
!###
!# Low Resolution Displays
!###
*FontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*buttonFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*labelFontList: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmText*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*XmTextField*FontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*systemFont: -dt-interface
system-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*userFont: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*DtEditor*textFontList: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*:
*Font: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
*FontSet: -dt-interface
user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
#endif
#endif
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