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John Whitley <whitley(a)cse.buffalo.edu> writes:
Using menu item Customize -> Faces... to bring up the *Customize
Faces* buffer, then open the "Bold" face or any other face using a
bold font, as in:
It is a weakness in the current design of the customize face model.
Unlike with variables you do not see the current situation, but the
current custom font-spec. If you did not customize this font these are
likely to be different.
> Bold: (sample) *
> [State]: this face has not been changed with customize.
...and thus could very well have been changed outside of it.
It is one of the sacrifices Per made to have user interface simplicity
and inter Emacs compatibility. Hopefully this can go away when/if
customize is better integrated with the XEmacs font-specifier model.
Jan
Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes:
It is one of the sacrifices Per made to have user interface
simplicity
and inter Emacs compatibility.
If so, why does it work perfectly well on Emacs 20.3?
The feeling I'm getting is that a whole lot of stuff broke in the
XEmacs reimplementation[1] of the Customize face support. Things are
initialized in the wrong sequence. MULE fonts are screwed. And now
this.
Will there be time for any hacking sessions in Japan? I think it
would be useful if some of us (you, me, Bill, Hjorve maybe) went
together to see what is happening, and what should be happening.
Footnotes:
[1] The code I see here on the list doesn't look anything like what
is in the last unbundled version of custom. Which is in principle
good, because the unbundled code used the wrong APIs. But not so
good, when it doesn't work.
>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen
<abraham(a)dina.kvl.dk> writes:
Per> Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes:
> It is one of the sacrifices Per made to have user interface
> simplicity and inter Emacs compatibility.
Per> If so, why does it work perfectly well on Emacs 20.3?
By design.
Simple interfaces work well for simple engines. Prediction: custom
faces will break bigtime when Emacs introduces its WYSIWYG redisplay,
and people start trying to do complex things with them.
Per> MULE fonts are screwed.
Um, can you Custom-ize Mule fonts in Emacs 20.3? You can't even _see_
them in XEmacs Custom. It's not surprising that they're screwed.
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What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes:
Prediction: custom
faces will break bigtime when Emacs introduces its WYSIWYG redisplay,
and people start trying to do complex things with them.
I suspect RMS will not release the new redisplay engine, before it
works with custom.
Um, can you Custom-ize Mule fonts in Emacs 20.3?
You cannot customize a font. You can customize a face, which sadly is
something different.
Let's see... If I customize `font-lock-string-face' with Emacs 20.3
while looking at `tex-jp.el' which is full of Japanese strings, it
will ignore the `italic' and `bold' face attributes, while obeying the
`underline', `inverse video', `foreground' and `background'
attributes. The Japanese text will continue to be Japanese.
The English strings will also obey the `bold' face attribute, while
ignoring the `italic' face attribute. The default font I use doesn't
have italic.
That makes sense to me.
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