Guido.VanHoecke(a)advalvas.be writes: Are you suggesting that Emacs should detect the size of the display device and size its initial frame appropriately, or that it should always come up at a size <= 800x600? I see looking at the doc for 'default-frame-plist' that you can set the sizes for frames other than the first one in your .emacs. However setting the size of the first frame is trickier - since it has already been created by the time .emacs is read. Does the "-geometry" command-line flag work on NT? (I'm on my home Linux system and won't have access to NT until tommorow).

Guido> I am starting Xemacs without any command line font or Guido> geometry settings using the default "C:\Program Guido> Files\XEmacs\XEmacs-21.0\i386-pc-win32\runemacs.exe" icon Guido> that has been set up by the installer. When I start Xemacs, Guido> it uses more room than physically available: the lower Guido> part, including status line and message buffer are not Guido> visible. I have to downsize the window by lowering the Guido> upper limit, move the resulting smaller window upwards by Guido> dragging it with the title bar. For what it's worth, a few days ago I upped X's color depth from 8 to 16 bpp and was forced to drop resolution from 1280x1024 to 1024x768, and am now seeing the same problem. This should not happen as I am on a Linux box with fvwm as window manager. It did not happen in the past at that 1024x768 resolution as far as I can remember, and doesn't happen with XEmacs 20.4. What seems to be happening is that XEmacs is querying the environment for the size of window it can accept, sets the text area to that size, and then proceeds to add menu and toolbar to that. Now that I'm looking for it, I realize that the opposite thing seems to be happening with side toolbars, as in VM. VM thinks its getting an 80 character line, but in fact it's less, by exactly the amount of the toolbar as close as I can see. Checking with an old Uzbek Black, the line-length miscalculation happens there too, and happens on a 1280x1024 display. It's hard to say what's happening vertically as the 1024 vertical resolution is plenty to handle the -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +1 (298) 53-5091 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."