Clemens> Rick Campbell <campbell(a)cyberpass.net&gt; writes: Clemens> But the syntax of loop doesn't have anything to do with the use of Clemens> loop-finish. I don't want to comment on the syntax of loop. Clemens> Come on, you wanted an *example*, here it is. ;-) Please be careful with attributions. *I* wanted an example, not Rick. Rick is right, however, in pointing out some non-hygienic macros in CL are indeed abominations. I conjecture that, if you find yourself doing something non-hygienic, you should think twice whether you actually should be doing it. Clemens> What do you want to imply with that? How do you want to do tail Clemens> recursion optimization without goto? ;-) That doesn't mean you need goto in the source language. :-) -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla