Hi Folks. I've looked through the code. I've googled. I can't easily find an answer for this question. I'd like to disable the toolbar from ever appearing on the initial X11 window using either command line options or X11 resources. Currently the best that I can do is have it appear, briefly, then disappear using specifiers. Apart from looking fugly, I have a feeling it's partly to blame for the increased start-up time when I log into a remote linux box and fire up an XEmacs with the display on the local box. I'm using the default XEmacs build on Fedora 17. Details below. Any help gratefully received. -- gyre -- uname -a: Linux x86-16.phx2.fedoraproject.org 2.6.32-220.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 9 08:03:13 EST 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ./configure '--build=i386-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=i386-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--sbindir=/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--includedir=/usr/include' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--with-archlibdir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.5-b31/i386-redhat-linux' '--with-moduledir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.5-b31/i386-redhat-linux/modules' '--with-lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp' '--with-etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/etc' '--with-system-packages=/usr/share/xemacs' '--without-msw' '--with-mule' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-database=berkdb' '--without-ldap' '--without-postgresql' '--with-mail-locking=lockf' '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod' '--with-pdump' '--with-debug' '--with-error-checking=none' '--enable-bignum=gmp' '--with-union-type' '--with-docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.5-b31/doc' '--with-sound=nonative,alsa' '--with-athena=next' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-widgets=athena' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-xim=xlib' '--without-wnn' 'build_alias=i386-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i386-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i686 -mtune=atom -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-strict-aliasing' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro ' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i686 -mtune=atom -fasynchronous-unwind-tables' XEmacs 21.5-b31 "ginger" configured for `i386-redhat-linux'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /builddir/build/BUILD/xemacs-21.5.31 Installation prefix: /usr Not using any operating system description file Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.7.0 20120117 (Red Hat 4.7.0-0.7) - GCC specs file: specs. - Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare -Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wshadow -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wunused-parameter -g -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i686 -mtune=atom -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-strict-aliasing libc version: glibc-2.15-2.fc17.i686 Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: - X Windows libraries location: - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/neXtaw - Athena library to link: neXtaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Compiling in support for more number types using the GNU MP library. Using the union type for Lisp_Objects. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: This tends to trigger compiler bugs, especially when WARNING: combined with MULE and ERROR_CHECKING. Crashes have WARNING: been seen with various versions of GCC (up to about 2.95), WARNING: and recently with Visual C++ as well (mid-2003). WARNING: More recent versions may be safer, or not. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Using the new GC mark algorithms (KKCC). WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to WARNING: turn it off. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Using the new portable dumper. Dumping into executable. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/root/emacs/xemacs/send-pr /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnats/send-pr /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/cedet-common/sformat /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/semantic/sformat /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/cedet-common/working /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/semantic/working /root/emacs/xemacs/flyspell /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/text-modes/flyspell /usr/share/xemacs/mule-packages/lisp/mule-base/korea-util /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/mule/korea-util /usr/share/xemacs/mule-packages/lisp/mule-base/ethio-util /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/mule/ethio-util /usr/share/xemacs/mule-packages/lisp/mule-base/viet-util /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/mule/viet-util /usr/share/xemacs/mule-packages/lisp/mule-base/japan-util /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/mule/japan-util /usr/share/xemacs/mule-packages/lisp/mule-base/china-util /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/mule/china-util /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/build-report /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/regexp-opt /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/regexp-opt /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/easy-mmode /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/easy-mmode /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/alist /usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b31/lisp/alist) Internationalization Settings: ------------------------- Environment: Value of LC_ALL : nil Value of LC_COLLATE : nil Value of LC_CTYPE : nil Value of LC_MESSAGES : nil Value of LC_MONETARY : nil Value of LC_NUMERIC : nil Value of LC_TIME : nil Value of LANG : en_US.UTF-8 Lisp locale settings: current-language-environment => "English" default-buffer-file-coding-system => utf-8 default-process-coding-system => (undecided . utf-8) (current-locale) => "en_US.UTF-8" keyboard-coding-system => utf-8 terminal-coding-system => utf-8 (coding-priority-list) => (utf-8 iso-8-1 utf-16-little-endian-bom utf-16-bom utf-8-bom iso-7 no-conversion iso-8-2 iso-8-designate iso-lock-shift shift-jis big5 utf-16-little-endian utf-16 ucs-4) Coding system aliases: 'native is aliased to utf-8 'file-name is aliased to utf-8 'mswindows-multibyte-system-default is not a coding system alias Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (zenirc ver: 1.16 upstream: 2.112) (xslt-process ver: 1.12 upstream: 1.2.1) (xslide ver: 1.09 upstream: 0.2.2) (xetla ver: 1.02 upstream: steve(a)eicq.org--2005/xetla--main--1.1--version-0) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.82 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 2.3 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.13 upstream: 4.5.1) (w3 ver: 1.35 upstream: 4.0pre47) (viper ver: 1.67 upstream: 3.09) (view-process ver: 1.13 upstream: 2.4) (vhdl ver: 1.22 upstream: 3.33.12) (vc ver: 1.48 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tramp ver: 1.4 upstream: 2.0.56) (tpu ver: 1.14 upstream: 4.2X) (tm ver: 1.39 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (time ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.17) (textools ver: 1.15 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