sb> Footnotes: sb> [1] Do we really? It will certainly help testers who already have a sb> populated Lisp package hierarchy and bozos like me who will forget and sb> install things by manual untar in the appropriate directory. We do. If not bozos like you, for bozos like me who can't use package-update because I can't get efs working. I've tried to get it working for quite a while now but I cannot get it to understand our kerberos system here. So, I'm left with ftp'ing what I want, and since I gone that far by hand, might as well untar by hand too. Ray