2:36 p.m.
As of "XEmacs 21.5 (beta33) \"horseradish\" 2257ac0e8a47+ [Lucid]
(x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0, Mule) of Sat Jun 22 2013 on
grendel.frinabulax.org" the file man/texinfo.texi will not compile on Mac
OS X (10.8) using the system's makeinfo (version 4.8). I have macports
installed, and it supplies the 4.13 tech info package; however,
/opt/local/bin is usually after /usr/bin in my build environment. I suggest
that configure be given additional rules to assure that the supplied
makeinfo is new enough to compile the manual sources. When I run the
configure/build process with a path that places /opt/local/bin before
/usr/bin, the build and subsequent install succeed.
After 'make real clean', grabbing the changes with hg, configuring, and
issuing 'make' I get an error when makeinfo 4.8 is used. The error occurs
near the end of the build during the documentation compilation phase:
cd /Users/royar/src/xemacs-hg/man && make info
makeinfo -P texinfo -o ../info/texinfo.info texinfo/texinfo.texi
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10389: Unknown command `frenchspacing'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10392: Unknown command `frenchspacing'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10718: Unknown command `quotedblleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10718: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10718: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10719: Unknown command `quotedblright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10719: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10719: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10720: Unknown command `quoteleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10720: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10720: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10721: Unknown command `quoteright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10721: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10721: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10722: Unknown command `quotedblbase'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10722: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10722: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10723: Unknown command `quotesinglbase'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10723: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10723: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10724: Unknown command `guillemetleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10724: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10724: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10725: Unknown command `guillemetright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10725: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10725: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10726: Unknown command `guilsinglleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10726: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10726: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10727: Unknown command `guilsinglright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10727: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10727: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10925: Unknown command `textdegree'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10925: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10925: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10928: Unknown command `textdegree'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10928: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10928: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Unknown command `geq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Unknown command `leq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10968: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10972: Unknown command `geq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10972: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10972: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10973: Unknown command `leq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10973: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10973: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Unknown command `clicksequence'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Unknown command `click'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11082: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11108: Unknown command `clickstyle'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11108: ï¼ result expected braces.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Unknown command `clicksequence'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Unknown command `click'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11109: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:11108: ï¼ result missing close brace.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17472: Unknown command `arrow'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17472: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17472: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17901: Unknown command `geq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17901: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:17901: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:18051: Unknown command `leq'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:18051: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:18051: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10715: Unknown command `guilsinglright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10715: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10715: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10713: Unknown command `guilsinglleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10713: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10713: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10711: Unknown command `guillemetright'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10711: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10711: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10708: Unknown command `guillemetleft'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10708: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10708: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10688: Unknown command `quotesinglbase'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10688: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10688: Misplaced }.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10686: Unknown command `quotedblbase'.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10686: Misplaced {.
texinfo/texinfo.texi:10686: Misplaced }.
makeinfo: Removing output file `../info/texinfo.info' due to errors; use
--force to preserve.
make[1]: *** [../info/texinfo.info] Error 1
make: *** [info] Error 2
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Hi Robert,
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Robert Royar <xemacs(a)royar.org> wrote:
As of "XEmacs 21.5 (beta33) \"horseradish\"
2257ac0e8a47+ [Lucid]
(x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0, Mule) of Sat Jun 22 2013 on
grendel.frinabulax.org" the file man/texinfo.texi will not compile on Mac
OS X (10.8) using the system's makeinfo (version 4.8). I have macports
installed, and it supplies the 4.13 tech info package; however,
/opt/local/bin is usually after /usr/bin in my build environment. I suggest
that configure be given additional rules to assure that the supplied
makeinfo is new enough to compile the manual sources. When I run the
configure/build process with a path that places /opt/local/bin before
/usr/bin, the build and subsequent install succeed.
Hmmm, sorry about that. The problem I was trying to deal with is that
our texinfo.tex was too old for systems with texinfo 5.x, so I updated
it. Now it's too new for systems with texinfo 4.8. :-( On the other
hand, texinfo 4.8 is more than 8 years old. That's ancient
technology!:-)
I'm not sure how best to deal with this. We could do a configure
check. We know that texinfo 4.13 is new enough, and that 4.8 is too
old. I guess somebody could have the fun of checking the versions in
between to see where the breakage happens. (I can do that.) But then
what? Error out if texinfo is too old? Try to find a system
texinfo.tex that goes with the installed texinfo? Warn that info
building is going to break and continue?
Perhaps the first option is the best one. Let me try to figure out
the oldest texinfo version that can use this version of texinfo.tex.
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>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Perhaps the first option is the best one.
I would go for a configure check and then a warning that the docs
can't be built but still allow the build and install of the software.
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10:30 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
Perhaps the first option is the best one. Let me try to figure out
the oldest texinfo version that can use this version of texinfo.tex.
That would be 4.12. Versions 4.11 and earlier choke on the new
texinfo.tex in various ways. What would you all like me to do? Roll
back the change to texinfo.tex? Refuse to work with a texinfo older
than 4.12? (That version was released 20 April 2008, for those that
care.)
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7:38 a.m.
Jerry James writes:
That would be 4.12. Versions 4.11 and earlier choke on the new
texinfo.tex in various ways. What would you all like me to do? Roll
back the change to texinfo.tex?
no, no, No, NO, NoNoNoNo NO! :-)
Seriously, 5.1 is already showing up on some of my distros. We will
need 5.x compatibility in the near future, and I don't see any real
point in trying to pick up just enough to make things 5.x compatible.
Refuse to work with a texinfo older than 4.12?
I want to hear what Robert says, because I think he's a special case.
I suspect most people building XEmacs on Mac OS X have Fink, MacPorts,
or Homebrew installed, and have the relevant bin directory early in
their PATH. So it's a no-op (or a one-time upgrade of Texinfo) for
us, fixing things for Robert is what this is about.
My inclination is what Mats suggested: if makeinfo is too old, disable
the doc build.
If we get complaints about that, I can build an .info tarball (and
maybe .elc, and trim the main distribution tarball down to just the
source ma'am, as Mats suggested elsewhere -- I still don't like that,
though.)
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org>wrote:
Jerry James writes:
> That would be 4.12. Versions 4.11 and earlier choke on the new
> texinfo.tex in various ways. What would you all like me to do? Roll
> back the change to texinfo.tex?
no, no, No, NO, NoNoNoNo NO! :-)
I agree with Stephen.
Seriously, 5.1 is already showing up on some of my distros. We will
need 5.x compatibility in the near future, and I don't see any real
point in trying to pick up just enough to make things 5.x compatible.
> Refuse to work with a texinfo older than 4.12?
I want to hear what Robert says, because I think he's a special case.
I suspect most people building XEmacs on Mac OS X have Fink, MacPorts,
or Homebrew installed, and have the relevant bin directory early in
their PATH. So it's a no-op (or a one-time upgrade of Texinfo) for
us, fixing things for Robert is what this is about.
I think the solution
could be to r
equire users such as myself to use an upgraded makeinfo, or refuse to
upgrade the docs that fail to build, but do not stop the exec build or
installation.
In fact, as I wrote in my initial post, I figured out the solution before
I posted. I think configure should have figured it out for me. The errors
would not necessarily hit one as a problem with makeinfo version.
My use of placing /usr/bin before /opt/local/bin in my XEmacs build
environment came from a problem a while ago where macports libraries would
be pulled in when I wanted system ones. That may show up on other users' OS
X builds.
I
have now
changed the path in my XEmacs build environment to the one I use for
everyday use, the one with /opt/local/bin before /usr/bin, and everything
works automatically, again. But I still think that configure should
complain when it finds it cannot build some part of the installation if
that will cause the build to stop before creating and installable
executable.
It
complains
, for example, if it cannot find a suitable widget set for Xaw3d. Some of
the configuration files I have used will actually search around for tools
(in the path) that are needed to compile the source tree, given the
variants. I have no idea how such magic is accomplished, and I am not sure
it is necessarily the right thing to do automatically.
My inclination is what Mats suggested: if makeinfo is too old,
disable
the doc build.
If we get complaints about that, I can build an .info tarball (and
maybe .elc, and trim the main distribution tarball down to just the
source ma'am, as Mats suggested elsewhere -- I still don't like that,
though.)
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
<stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
no, no, No, NO, NoNoNoNo NO! :-)
Please, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
I want to hear what Robert says, because I think he's a special
case.
I suspect most people building XEmacs on Mac OS X have Fink, MacPorts,
or Homebrew installed, and have the relevant bin directory early in
their PATH. So it's a no-op (or a one-time upgrade of Texinfo) for
us, fixing things for Robert is what this is about.
My inclination is what Mats suggested: if makeinfo is too old, disable
the doc build.
If we get complaints about that, I can build an .info tarball (and
maybe .elc, and trim the main distribution tarball down to just the
source ma'am, as Mats suggested elsewhere -- I still don't like that,
though.)
There is another possibility. We could keep an "old" and a "new"
copy
of texinfo.tex around, and pick the right one to use based on the
version makeinfo reports. I'd rather go with requiring texinfo 4.12
or newer, but this is another approach we can take.
I'll have a patch later today taking the route Mats suggested. Let me
know if anyone would rather I do the above instead.
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Jerry James writes:
There is another possibility. We could keep an "old" and a
"new" copy
of texinfo.tex around, and pick the right one to use based on the
version makeinfo reports. I'd rather go with requiring texinfo 4.12
or newer,
Me too. Building the info and offering a tarball is easy and portable
:-), let's go that way if it's needed.
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New subject: texinfo.tex is to old in 21.4 too (was: Latest 21.5 updates: texinfo breaks in compiling)
>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
The problem I was trying to deal with is that our texinfo.tex was
too old for systems with texinfo 5.x, so I updated it.
The texinfo.tex being to old for texinfo 5.x will strike 21.4 too and
it has. I just got a bug report on gentoo on that.
Will we patch 21.4 as well?
I guess the texinfo.tex files are different on 21.4 and 21.5 so that
part of the patch can't be used. How much needs to be updated in
textinfo.tex for it to work with texinfo 5.x?
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New subject: texinfo.tex is to old in 21.4 too (was: Latest 21.5 updates: texinfo breaks in compiling)
Mats Lidell writes:
Will we patch 21.4 as well?
That's entirely up to Vin. FWIW, IMO it's a close call (people using
21.4 probably like stability a lot, so may be using relatively ancient
systems like Debian stable).
I guess the texinfo.tex files are different on 21.4 and 21.5 so that
part of the patch can't be used.
That's a risky guess, we should check first.
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New subject: texinfo.tex is to old in 21.4 too (was: Latest 21.5 updates: texinfo breaks in compiling)
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mats Lidell writes:
> Will we patch 21.4 as well?
That's entirely up to Vin. FWIW, IMO it's a close call (people using
21.4 probably like stability a lot, so may be using relatively ancient
systems like Debian stable).
Probably we will patch 21.4. We're using a different configure
script, so some amount of autoconf hackery will be required.
> I guess the texinfo.tex files are different on 21.4 and 21.5 so that
> part of the patch can't be used.
That's a risky guess, we should check first.
I will investigate.
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Robert Royar writes:
I have macports installed, and it supplies the 4.13 tech info
package; however, /opt/local/bin is usually after /usr/bin in my
build environment.
Sounds strange to me, but "the customer is always right". :-)
I suggest that configure be given additional rules to assure that
the supplied makeinfo is new enough to compile the manual sources.
Well, of course we can't assure the existence of a sufficiently recent
makeinfo. What do you propose we do if we find the supplied makeinfo
is too old? Just ignore the rule?
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org>wrote:
Robert Royar writes:
> I suggest that configure be given additional rules to assure that
> the supplied makeinfo is new enough to compile the manual sources.
Well, of course we can't assure the existence of a sufficiently recent
makeinfo. What do you propose we do if we find the supplied makeinfo
is too old? Just ignore the rule?
Post an explanation that makeinfo is too old to compile some of the info
files and that it needs to be upgraded? If this problem is like another
related to very old GNU tools with new versions under GPL 3, new versions
of OS X may not upgrade to the newer versions of the GNU tools. At
present, the problem appears to affect only texinfo.texi
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