-----Original Message----- From: xemacs-beta-admin(a)xemacs.org [mailto:xemacs-beta-admin＠xemacs.org]On Behalf Of Scott Evans Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:26 PM To: xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org Subject: find-function vs. Windows paths One more while I'm at it. On Windows, when I do find-function, I often get messages like this one: The library "f:\xemacs\xemacs-21.4-release\lisp\replace" is not in the path. I guess that's the place that the files lived when XEmacs was built/dumped(?), but it's not the place they live on my system. (find-library "replace" nil 'insert) => "c:\Program Files\XEmacs\XEmacs-21.4.6\lisp\replace.el" Is this a bug or is this somehow my fault? scott ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.6 \"Common Lisp (Windows [1])\" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. 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Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... The library "f:\xemacs\xemacs-21.4-release\lisp\replace" is not in the path. Loading find-func...done Loading find-func...

>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes:

Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > If people would only build from source and run-in-place this > wouldn't be a problem. ;-) Yah. I suspect that's what a lot of people on this list do. I haven't typed "make install" at an Emacs distribution in 15 years. Too scary. Fifteen years ago when I typed "make install" Emacs sprayed files everywhere. Because of this, figuring out how to uninstall an old version was hard. Once running in place fom a source tree became an option I never looked back. Uninstalling a source tree is easy. > One sensible way to handle this is to add a SEARCH-LOAD-PATH-TOO flag > to `find-library' and `locate-library', if it's nil have them warn > "library source not found, probably dumped into XEmacs? use prefix > arg to search path" on not found, and if non-nil search for the > library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather than > defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence of the FAQ, > but maybe I'm just a worry-wart. If "make install" is what we expect people to do, then the wiping load-history and searching load-path should be the default action.

>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com&gt; writes:

> library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather > than defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence > of the FAQ, but maybe I'm just a worry-wart.

>>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com&gt; writes: Kyle> Once running in place fom a source tree became an option I Kyle> never looked back. Uninstalling a source tree is easy. Yeah, I also just noticed that something I semi-rely on (that find-func finds the source library) doesn't work for autoloaded core Lisp. It finds them in the installed Lisp directory, of course. >> library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather >> than defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence >> of the FAQ, but maybe I'm just a worry-wart. Kyle> If "make install" is what we expect people to do, then the Kyle> wiping load-history and searching load-path should be the Kyle> default action. OK on defaulting to searching load-path, then. As Andy points out, a big hunk (and rapidly increasing) of our user population uses Windows binaries, either the netinstaller or InstallShield. The Unix-y solution (have the build process redump from the installed Lisp) isn't failsafe for binary distributions. I don't understand why wiping load-history is desirable, though. Shouldn't that be accurate? And it shouldn't hurt for it to be accurate. If we default to searching load-path, only those who know where to look will ever notice that load-history contains references to files that don't exist on their systems. If we do default to munging load-history, should we try to warn users that the libraries they're editing need to be explicitly loaded to get XEmacs to use them? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py

symbol-file is documented to return the file the symbol was loaded from, not a file from elsewhere. If that file doesn't exist, tough. It's the caller's responsibility to deal with that.

>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs <youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes:

>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: