Nick> How to make XEmacs use koi8-r fonts instead of iso8859-5 fonts? Build without Mule, use koi8-r file and process encodings, and set the font to koi8-r using X resources or command line arguments. Nick> And many people complain that they have to install 8859-5 Nick> fonts for XEmacs solely while all other apps do well with Nick> koi8. If you have an example of a multilingual app that works with koi8-r, I'd like to know about it. Does GNU Emacs do it correctly? If so, it should be possible to port. Are there any tricks involved (eg, like using unibyte buffers)? Nick> Is there easy and straightforward way to use koi8-r fonts in Nick> Mule xemacs? Only if you are willing to limit yourself to 8859-5 portions of the KOI8 character set. The problem is that XEmacs basically assumes that KOI8 is a remapping of ISO Cyrillic, and translates other characters to a dummy replacement. In that case it should be possible to derive a font mapping CCL program from the code for KOI8 file encoding. Another possibility would be to create a KOI8-R charset (XEmacs currently doesn't have one), and install it in private space. Like the "no Mule" solution, this would require that you use KOI8-R file encodings; you would not be able to easily save those buffers in ISO-8559-5. You would also find it difficult to save multilingual files mixing KOI8 with any other character set (except ASCII, of course). I would guess that would be acceptable (probably everybody already uses KOI8 in their files); is it? Can you tell me where I could get free KOI8 fonts? The only one I have is -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-koi8-1 from the GNU intlfonts collection. Also, how are the KOI8-R fonts specified under X and Windows? (I can't do much about the latter, I don't know anything about Windows, but I can at least document it for when somebody who does Windows wants to work on it.) It's going to be a while before I can work much on this, but let me know about the GNU Emacs, what registry(s) are used for KOI8-R in X11, and whether saving files in KOI8-R is acceptable. I may have more questions to make things more robust and allow multilingual use, but answers to these should be enough to allow Mule to work with pure KOI8-R files and display them on screen. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."

Andrew> Nick V. Pakoulin wrote: Andrew> : This question is pretty frequent in russian lists: : How Andrew> to make XEmacs use koi8-r fonts instead of iso8859-5 Andrew> fonts? Andrew> 3. Place attached file (ru-keys.el) into directory where Andrew> XEmacs can find it (e.g ~/.xemacs/lisp) How is this file related to something like x-iso8859-1.el? Also, if you want, recently Martin Buchholz added support for some Latin-2 keysyms; if you do it the same way, I think it would probably be integrated into the next release of 21.2. Maybe even 21.1.14 or 15, if you ask Vin Shelton very nicely ;-) Andrew> [1]: Not very clean mean next: When you switch font (over Andrew> Options->Font or Options->Size menus) XEmacs enforce using Andrew> of iso-8859-* fonts and your Emacs.default.attributeFont Andrew> setting go to devil's grandmother. Yes, I have been complaining about this for years, but the Custom wizards ignore it. I didn't realize it would affect no-mule people though; this may be patchable (the Mule problem requires handling lists of fonts, this is one at a time). I'll take a look. Would it be acceptable if once you start using koi8-r you can't switch to ISO-8859 through the menus and Custom anymore, as a temporary solution? (I don't know much about Custom programming; to force the Lisp code to recognize the registry for X fonts and not change it would be pretty easy, I suspect, but I don't know how easy it will be to add facilities to select registries on the menu and in Custom.) -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."