>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Okahata
Darryl> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
> One problem is that we compete with FSF that does include such
> (IMO enticing) NEWS entries.
What do you find enticing about them? That's a real question. I find
them distressing, since the subtext is "we hope you like it, because
you're going to have to wait another three years for the next
version." (That's an extreme, not an exaggeration. An important
extreme at that: the last update of Gnus took over 3 years, and GNU's
current MH-E is well over 2 years old, with no update in sight, and
tons of effort focused on _RMAIL_! Will rms get real quoting? Will
Handa and gniibe get RFC 2046 charset parameters? Film at 11!)
I think it's a feature that core NEWS says nothing about packages:
Packages: No Package NEWS. With XEmacs, Lisp packages are always
up-to-date. To find out what's available, configure your mirrors,
and then do "M-x list-packages".
:-) Humor, yes, but we need to find a way to tell users about package
updates that also emphasizes that they happen in real time. NEWS is
not very good from that perspective, IMO.
> It would be nice to have a separate outlet for package NEWS,
> one which is actually read by end users.
No NEWS is actually read by end users until after they install AFAICT.
Darryl> While NEWS entries would be good, perhaps a second
Darryl> choice would be freshmeat announcements?
Well, AFAIK Norbert's announcements (of public releases, not the
pre-releases) go out on xemacs-announce, which has about 800
subscribers. (Not to make work for Norbert, but) We could post those
announcements on the web site. Since they're so frequent (at least
bi-monthly) we'd have to work out some scheme where several would be
available directly from the front page, I guess. Or maybe for the
most recent quarter and fraction, have links
Since September 1, 2003, calc, games, cc-mode, <!-- about three lines :) -->
were <a href="Releases/index.html#package_news_2003q4">updated or
Since July 1, 2003, edict, mh-e, cc-mode, <!-- about five lines :) -->
were <a href="Releases/index.html#package_news_2003q3">updated or
On the other hand, if you're talking about major new features, etc,
shouldn't that be done by, or at least coordinated with, the upstream
As for freshmeat, I perfectly understand why Darryl is not
volunteering. I wouldn't either---I did some freshmeat work early in
the 21.4 series, and I have to say it was a massive PITA because you
had to do it via web, the freshmeat system was flatlined, and on
top of that somebody not directly associated with the core set up a
freshmeat account for XEmacs and then disappeared. (I think Adrian
resolved that last issue, but I haven't noticed any great enthusiasm
for freshmeat stuff.)
Does anybody have a script that auto-updates freshmeat entries?
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