Bill> Gunnar Evermann <ge204(a)eng.cam.ac.uk&gt; writes: Bill> Well, I have access to the FSF pretests and am on the mailing list, but Bill> Gerd asked a while ago that at least the pre-pre-pre-alpha version of the Bill> pretest not be distributed outside the small group of testers. This Bill> position may have changed now that the new redisplay is in the core Emacs Bill> 20.5.92 pretests. I'll have to ask him. Emacs 20.5 has been released. rms explicitly denies XEmacs developers, like myself, access to the Emacs pre-testers list. Bill> Anybody else on both beta lists? If anyone has an ＠gnu.org account, you Bill> should be able to get the CVS distribution of Emacs. It is in Bill> :pserver:<acct>＠cvs.gnu.org:/gd/gnu/cvsroot - module name is 'emacs' of Bill> course. It would be much better to use kerberized rsh to get in there of Bill> course. Wow, I have access through martin(a)cvs.gnu.org! Even though I haven't done actually logged in since they kerberized... Martin