On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:35:06 +1100, Malcolm Purvis <malcolmpurvis(a)optushome.com.au&gt; said: Ahh, but that's what bit me.. even *with* -pdump you get bit if you build with -pie, because things move around.

Jens> Unless this is some manifestation of the re_max_failures too Jens> small bug, this is actually the first report I have heard of Jens> this. I don't see how that could be, since Thoralf apparently can't get XEmacs to run nohow. I would think it's more likely related to the new exec security stuff, in particular there's a setting: Valdis> Ahh, but that's what bit me.. even *with* -pdump you get Valdis> bit if you build with -pie, because things move around. (That's Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu, and he gave a fairly complete report at some time in the past.) Jens> What kind of support from Fedora or Red Hat would help you Jens> going forward for future releases? (0) Tell us what you current "always" or "usually" do in terms of communicating with XEmacs (both ways). I have a pretty good idea of what Mike Fabian at SuSE and dres＠debian do; it's not that you haven't been a good citizen, but I have a much better sense of what surely wouldn't have gotten by them without a report to XEmacs. (1) If you need to patch XEmacs to get it to build or run, please submit the patch even if you suspect we won't put it in the upstream sources for some reason. (AFAIK you (Jens/Red Hat) do this, just trying to think through what I would tell other maintainers.) (2) If you need to specify or avoid particular configure options to get XEmacs to build or run properly, please report that. We do get a fair number of "first reports" that would be most easily diagnosed by you; this would help a lot in narrowing those down. Eventually I want to install a BTS; once that's done a gateway from your Bugzilla to our BTS would be nice. SJT> Although it pains me to say it, there's a good SJT> chance that GNU Emacs will be better supported on SJT> these issues. Jens> Actually for our current releases this is not true: emacs Jens> won't build on ix86 without using "setarch i386" due to Jens> changes in our ix86 kernel's brk behaviour: the problem Jens> doesn't affect xemacs if built with pdump. :) M-x all-hail-kyle-martin-and-olivier RET -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

Jens> this is actually the first report I have heard of Jens> this. SJT> I would think it's more likely related to the new SJT> exec security stuff, in particular there's a SJT> setting: Valdis> Ahh, but that's what bit me.. even *with* -pdump Valdis> you get bit if you build with -pie, because Valdis> things move around. Right, but we don't build xemacs (or emacs) with -pie afaik. Stephen, I will endeavour to increase communication with the XEmacs developers this year. I wish I had more time for following xemacs-beta... Jens