KY> There are two unicode.el's in the most recent XEmacs core and KY> the Mule-UCS package. Yeah, we know. Namespace pollution by Mule-UCS. In fact, in the current XEmacs version of the package code, Mule-UCS's version provides mule-ucs-unicode as well as unicode. I suggest you require that with the full path to mule-ucs version of the library. Mule-UCS development seems to be dead, as far as I can tell. Is anything happening with it? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py

KY> Well, I think the XEmacs version of unicode.el should be KY> renamed to something like mule-unicode.el. This is simply KY> because the XEmacs version of unicode.el has arrived later in KY> the world. It's not the file name that's at issue, it's the feature name. Having the same file name is just a convenience for require. Both Emacsen are going in the direction of "native" support for Unicode, and XEmacs at least will probably go to Unicode for the internal encoding, possibly for 22.0 (the current devel codebase). XEmacs Unicode support is independent of Mule, since 21.5.6. So why shouldn't we use the obvious feature, 'unicode, for the "standard" support? KY> ;; Maybe we need Emacs-Lisp-InterNIC. :-p We have one, have had for many years. It's the convention that a library picks a unique prefix and uses it for global symbols and features, while the core has no prefix. The current exceptions are generally packages that were moved out of core in 21.1. It would be nice if we had a Common-Lisp-like package system but we don't. We have to rely on the discipline of library authors. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py