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Subject: [Cooker] Setting alt to meta?
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Hello!
I've installed sawfish-0.34-3mdk and XFree86-4.0.2-1mdk on a cooker
installation. Before I used a pre-7.2 cooker. After I installed
everything, the left ALT key is mapped to ALT. For XEmacs I need a META
key. How can I redefine ALT so, that it acts like META?
Thx,
Alexander Skwar
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>>>> "Chmouel" == Chmouel Boudjnah
<chmouel(a)mandrakesoft.com> writes:
Chmouel> can someone tell me what i can answer here !!!
AS> I've installed sawfish-0.34-3mdk and XFree86-4.0.2-1mdk on a
AS> cooker installation. Before I used a pre-7.2 cooker. After I
AS> installed everything, the left ALT key is mapped to ALT. For
AS> XEmacs I need a META key. How can I redefine ALT so, that it
AS> acts like META?
AS> Alexander Skwar
This is a historical problem with X on the Intel platform, where X
implementations have typically mapped the Alt key to the Meta keysym
for ease of transition. More recently designed applications tend to
expect the Alt key to produce Alt. XEmacs, as a multiplatform
application, chose to support _either_ an Alt key _or_ a Meta key,
preferring the Meta key if both are available. Mandrake effectively
chose to standardize on the opposite. We can't support Mandrake,
unfortunately, without changes we don't have time to make at the
moment. (The big problem is that we plan to allow use of both
modifier keys when available, so that menu accelerators need not
interfere with traditional Emacs Meta commands.)
The ease of solution depends on whether you need yet another modifier
for other applications, or whether you are happy with only the Alt
key. (If you don't need a second modifier, the "map Windows key to
Super" is unnecessary, as is the remapping of the other app's keymap.)
From PROBLEMS (this will go into a new future release of 21.1, I
hope):
*** I want XEmacs to use the Alt key, not the XXX key, for Meta commands
For historical reasons, XEmacs looks for a Meta key, then an Alt key.
It binds Meta commands to the X11 modifier bit attached to the first
of these it finds. On PCs, the Windows key is often assigned the Meta
bit, but many desktop environments go to great lengths to get all apps
to use the Alt key, and reserve the Windows key to (sensibly enough)
the window manager.
One correct way to implement this was suggested on comp.emacs.xemacs
(by Kilian Foth and in more detail by Michael Piotrowski): unmap the
Meta modifier using xmodmap or xkb, and then map the Meta/Windows key
to the Super or Hyper keysym and an appropriate mod bit. XEmacs will
not find the Meta keysym, and default to using the Alt key for Meta
keybindings. Typically few applications use the (X11) Meta modifier;
it is tedious but not too much so to teach the ones you need to use
Super instead of Meta. There may be further useful hints in the
discussion of keymapping on non-Linux platforms.
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-- "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> spake thusly:
For historical reasons, XEmacs looks for a Meta key, then an Alt
key.
It binds Meta commands to the X11 modifier bit attached to the first
of these it finds. On PCs, the Windows key is often assigned the Meta
bit, but many desktop environments go to great lengths to get all apps
to use the Alt key, and reserve the Windows key to (sensibly enough)
the window manager.
One correct way to implement this was suggested on comp.emacs.xemacs
(by Kilian Foth and in more detail by Michael Piotrowski): unmap the
Meta modifier using xmodmap or xkb, and then map the Meta/Windows key
to the Super or Hyper keysym and an appropriate mod bit. XEmacs will
not find the Meta keysym, and default to using the Alt key for Meta
keybindings. Typically few applications use the (X11) Meta modifier;
it is tedious but not too much so to teach the ones you need to use
Super instead of Meta. There may be further useful hints in the
discussion of keymapping on non-Linux platforms.
The solution I've used for this is to use the following mappings:
Key Sym
Window -> Hyper_L/R
Alt -> Meta_L/R & Alt_L/R
Menu -> Super_R
Hyper and Super are reserved for WM-related functionality.
I know a number of people probably find the concept of mapping the Alt
keys to both Alt and Meta distasteful, but it's worked out fine for me
(without having to use Mandrake's Meta/Alt patch) and has never caused
me any problems. Conceivably if an app ever provides different
functionality for Alt vs. Meta this might be a problem, but I haven't
run across one yet (although the proposed menu bindings for XEmacs may
be an example).
6:38 a.m.
>>>> "Matt" == Matt Tucker
<tuck(a)whistlingfish.net> writes:
Matt> The solution I've used for this is to use the following mappings:
Matt> Key Sym
Matt> Window -> Hyper_L/R
Matt> Alt -> Meta_L/R & Alt_L/R
Matt> Menu -> Super_R
Matt> I know a number of people probably find the concept of mapping the Alt
Matt> keys to both Alt and Meta distasteful, but it's worked out fine for me
I don't understand how the key labelled Alt could be _both_ Alt and
Meta. Don't you have to choose one or the other? What xmodmap magic
are you using?
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