11:07 p.m.
My XEmacs seems to ignore overall system dpi settings. It has *very*
small fonts not only for the text but for the menus as well. It seems
like it's using it's own settings different from the rest of the
system.
This is a screen shot of the XEmacs window on top of a web page with
normal text and menu font sizes:
<http://picasaweb.google.com/theothersimonian/XEmacsScreenshot#52638051980...
http://picasaweb.google.com/theothersimonian/XEmacsScreenshot#52638051980...
I have XEmacs 21.4 (patch 21) and XEmacs 21.5 (beta28). The former
used to look normal before the last reboot but the latter being like
this even before the reboot. 2 days ago I restarted the computer and
now both versions of XEmacs look like this. I did not change
anything recently. The automatic system updates were enabled and could
have changed something. The OS is Fedora 9 with GNOME.
Removing "init.el" did not help. I posted the question on several forums
and received no response.
Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
Thank you!
Roni.
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1:27 p.m.
A change of behavior in XEmacs across a reboot like this that you
don't expect almost certainly means you've upgraded something,
possibly the X font server, possibly something in GNOME.
For the default fonts, XEmacs indeed pays no attention to system DPI
settings, and shouldn't need to, because it specifies the font sizes
in pixels, and then accepts what the system gives it. It then
computes line heights and width based on character metrics which it
also queries the system to get.
For each version of XEmacs, what is the output of
xemacs -vanilla -batch -eval '(prin1 (face-font (quote default)))'
Maybe you have some X resources set that are specified in pixels.
What does "xrdb query | grep -i font" tell you?
What does xdpyinfo tell you about your screen metrics? Do they make
sense? I would not be surprised if the metrics specified for your
monitor are way smaller than actual.
Please also send the Installation file for each version of XEmacs. If
you can't find that, cut and paste the output of
M-x describe-installation RET (which is exactly the same thing), for
each version of XEmacs.
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5:07 p.m.
On Saturday 15 November 2008, Roni Simonian wrote:
I did not change
anything recently. The automatic system updates were enabled and could
have changed something. The OS is Fedora 9 with GNOME.
You may be able to find out what packages have been recently updated by
comparing various /var/log/rpmpkgs* files with each other, looking
into /var/log/yum.log, and/or looking for yum entries in /var/log/messages.
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7:04 a.m.
Hello Stephen,
Thank you for the prompt response and for the explanation.
These are the outputs of xemacs -vanilla -batch -eval '(prin1 (face-font
(quote default)))'
For XEmacs 21.4 (patch 21):
#<font-specifier global=<unspecified> fallback=(((tty) . "normal") ((x)
. "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*") ((x) .
"-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*") ((x) .
"-*-courier-*-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*") ((x) .
"-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-*") ((x) .
"-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-*") ...) 0x1c6>
For XEmacs 21.5 (beta28)
#<font-specifier global=<unspecified> fallback=(((tty) . "normal") ((x)
. "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*") ((x) .
"-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-*-*") ((x encode-as-utf-8 initial
x-coverage-instantiator) .
"-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1") ((x
two-dimensional initial) . "-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-150-*-*-c-*-*-*") ((x
two-dimensional initial) . "-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-160-*-*-c-*-*-*") ((x
two-dimensional initial) . "-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-170-*-*-c-*-*-*") ((x
one-dimensional final x-coverage-instantiator) .
"-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1") ((x
two-dimensional final x-coverage-instantiator) .
"-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso10646-1") ((x) .
"*")) 0x1e82>
"xrdb query | grep -i font" returned no results. I am attaching the
complete output from "xrdb query". It also reported
Xft.dpi: 108
which is different from the value returned by xdpyinfo: 98. Actually
"98" is a current setting in Gnome's "Preferences". The display
dimensions returned by xdpyinfo are: 1920x1200 pixels (496x310
millimeters). The resolution is correct but the size is not: the
physical display size is 518.4 x 324 mm. It is strange because the size
reported by /var/log/Xorg.0.log is correct:
(**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (520, 320) mm
(**) intel(0): DPI set to (93, 95)
I am attaching the outputs from "xdpyinfo", "xrdb query" and
"describe-installation". The display is 24" Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP, The
video card is Mobile Intel GM965 Express Chipset, the driver is "intel".
Thank you again. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Best,
Roni.
uname -a: Linux toro 2.6.25-14.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 1 06:06:21 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64
x86_64 GNU/Linux
./configure
XEmacs 21.4.21 "Educational Television" configured for
`x86_64-unknown-linux'.
Compilation / Installation:
Source code location: /usr/src/xemacs-21.4.21
Installation prefix: /usr/local
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Not using any machine description file
Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.3.0 20080428 (Red Hat 4.3.0-8)
Compiler specs file: specs.
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
libc: glibc-2.8-3.x86_64
glibc-2.8-3.i686
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location:
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/lib64
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/Xaw
- Athena library to link: Xaw
Using Lucid menubars.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Databases:
Compiling in support for Berkeley database.
Compiling in support for LDAP.
Internationalization:
Mail:
Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new portable dumper.
uname -a: Linux xenbuilder4.fedora.phx.redhat.com 2.6.18-53.1.6.el5xen #1 SMP Wed Jan 16
04:10:44 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
./configure '--build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'--host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'--program-prefix=' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr'
'--bindir=/usr/bin' '--sbindir=/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/etc'
'--datadir=/usr/share' '--includedir=/usr/include'
'--libdir=/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=/usr/libexec'
'--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/usr/com'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1'
'--with-archlibdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux'
'--with-moduledir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux/modules'
'--with-lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/lisp'
'--with-etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/etc'
'--with-system-packages=/usr/share/xemacs' '--without-msw'
'--with-mule' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-database=no'
'--without-ldap' '--without-postgresql'
'--with-mail-locking=lockf' '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod'
'--with-pdump' '--with-debug' '--with-error-checking=none'
'--with-docdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/doc' '--with-xfs'
'--with-athena=next' '--with-menubars=lucid'
'--with-widgets=athena' '--with-dialogs=athena'
'--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-xim=xlib' '--without-wnn'
'build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'target_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing'
XEmacs 21.5-b28 "fuki" configured for `x86_64-redhat-linux'.
Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults:
Source code location: /builddir/build/BUILD/xemacs-21.5.28
Installation prefix: /usr
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Not using any machine description file
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.3.0 20080218 (Red Hat 4.3.0-0.10)
- GCC specs file: specs.
- Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare
-Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wunused-parameter -g -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing
libc version: glibc-2.7.90-7.x86_64
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location:
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/lib64
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/neXtaw
- Athena library to link: neXtaw
Using Lucid menubars.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
Using Athena native widgets.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Compiling in support for X-Face message headers.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Compiling in support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture).
Databases:
Internationalization:
Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs).
Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method).
- Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support.
- Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar.
Compiling in support for Canna on Mule.
Mail:
Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval.
Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new GC mark algorithms (KKCC).
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by
WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to
WARNING: turn it off.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
Using the new portable dumper.
Dumping into executable.
Compiling in support for extra debugging code.
name of display: :0.0
version number: 11.0
vendor string: The X.Org Foundation
vendor release number: 10500000
X.Org version: 1.5.0
maximum request size: 16777212 bytes
motion buffer size: 256
bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32
image byte order: LSBFirst
number of supported pixmap formats: 7
supported pixmap formats:
depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 15, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
depth 32, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
keycode range: minimum 8, maximum 255
focus: window 0x2400022, revert to Parent
number of extensions: 28
BIG-REQUESTS
Composite
DAMAGE
DOUBLE-BUFFER
DPMS
Extended-Visual-Information
GLX
MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
MIT-SHM
MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
RANDR
RENDER
SGI-GLX
SHAPE
SYNC
TOG-CUP
X-Resource
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-DGA
XFree86-DRI
XFree86-Misc
XFree86-VidModeExtension
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
XVideo
default screen number: 0
number of screens: 1
screen #0:
dimensions: 1920x1200 pixels (496x310 millimeters)
resolution: 98x98 dots per inch
depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
root window id: 0x92
depth of root window: 24 planes
number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1
default colormap: 0x20
default number of colormap cells: 256
preallocated pixels: black 0, white 16777215
options: backing-store NO, save-unders NO
largest cursor: 64x64
current input event mask: 0xfa8033
KeyPressMask KeyReleaseMask EnterWindowMask
LeaveWindowMask ExposureMask StructureNotifyMask
SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask FocusChangeMask
PropertyChangeMask ColormapChangeMask
number of visuals: 3
default visual id: 0x21
visual:
visual id: 0x21
class: TrueColor
depth: 24 planes
available colormap entries: 256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks: 0xff0000, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification: 8 bits
visual:
visual id: 0x22
class: DirectColor
depth: 24 planes
available colormap entries: 256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks: 0xff0000, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification: 8 bits
visual:
visual id: 0x6c
class: TrueColor
depth: 32 planes
available colormap entries: 256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks: 0xff0000, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification: 8 bits
*Box.background: #ece9e9
*Box.foreground: #000000
*Button.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Button.activeForeground: #000000
*Button.background: #ece9e9
*Button.foreground: #000000
*Button.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Button.highlightColor: #000000
*Canvas.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Canvas.activeForeground: #000000
*Canvas.background: #ffffff
*Canvas.foreground: #000000
*Canvas.highlightBackground: #ffffff
*Canvas.highlightColor: #000000
*Canvas.selectbackground: #008dd7
*Canvas.selectforeground: #ffffff
*Checkbutton.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Checkbutton.activeForeground: #000000
*Checkbutton.background: #ece9e9
*Checkbutton.foreground: #000000
*Checkbutton.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Checkbutton.highlightColor: #000000
*Command.background: #ece9e9
*Command.foreground: #000000
*Dialog.background: #ece9e9
*Dialog.foreground: #000000
*Entry.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Entry.activeForeground: #000000
*Entry.background: #ffffff
*Entry.foreground: #000000
*Entry.highlightBackground: #ffffff
*Entry.highlightColor: #000000
*Entry.selectBackground: #008dd7
*Entry.selectForeground: #ffffff
*Form.background: #ece9e9
*Form.foreground: #000000
*Frame.background: #ece9e9
*Frame.foreground: #000000
*Label.background: #ece9e9
*Label.foreground: #000000
*Label.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Label.highlightColor: #000000
*Labelframe.background: #ece9e9
*Labelframe.foreground: #000000
*Labelframe.highlightColor: #000000
*List.background: #ffffff
*List.foreground: #000000
*Listbox.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Listbox.activeForeground: #000000
*Listbox.background: #ffffff
*Listbox.foreground: #000000
*Listbox.highlightBackground: #ffffff
*Listbox.highlightColor: #000000
*Listbox.selectBackground: #008dd7
*Listbox.selectForeground: #ffffff
*Menu.activeBackground: #008dd7
*Menu.activeForeground: #ffffff
*Menu.background: #ece9e9
*Menu.foreground: #000000
*MenuButton.background: #ece9e9
*MenuButton.foreground: #000000
*Menubutton.activeBackground: #008dd7
*Menubutton.activeForeground: #ffffff
*Menubutton.background: #ece9e9
*Menubutton.foreground: #000000
*Menubutton.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Menubutton.highlightColor: #000000
*Radiobutton.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Radiobutton.activeForeground: #000000
*Radiobutton.background: #ece9e9
*Radiobutton.foreground: #000000
*Radiobutton.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Radiobutton.highlightColor: #000000
*Scale.activeBackground: #ece9e9
*Scale.activeForeground: #000000
*Scale.background: #ece9e9
*Scale.foreground: #000000
*Scale.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Scale.highlightColor: #000000
*Scrollbar*background: #ece9e9
*Scrollbar.activeBackground: #ffffff
*Scrollbar.background: #ece9e9
*Scrollbar.foreground: #000000
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*Scrollbar.highlightColor: #000000
*ScrollbarBackground: #ece9e9
*SimpleMenu*background: #ece9e9
*SimpleMenu*foreground: #000000
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*Text.activeForeground: #000000
*Text.background: #ffffff
*Text.foreground: #000000
*Text.highlightBackground: #ffffff
*Text.highlightColor: #000000
*Text.selectBackground: #008dd7
*Text.selectForeground: #ffffff
*Toggle.background: #ece9e9
*Toggle.foreground: #000000
*Toplevel.activeBackground: #ece9e9
*Toplevel.activeForeground: #000000
*Toplevel.background: #ece9e9
*Toplevel.foreground: #000000
*Toplevel.highlightBackground: #ece9e9
*Toplevel.highlightColor: #000000
*XmCascadeButton.background: #ece9e9
*XmCascadeButton.foreground: #000000
*XmCascadeButtonGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmCascadeButtonGadget.foreground: #000000
*XmDialogShell.background: #ece9e9
*XmDialogShell.foreground: #000000
*XmFileSelectionBox.background: #ece9e9
*XmFileSelectionBox.foreground: #000000
*XmForm.background: #ece9e9
*XmForm.foreground: #000000
*XmFrame.background: #ece9e9
*XmFrame.foreground: #000000
*XmLabel.background: #ece9e9
*XmLabel.foreground: #000000
*XmLabelGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmLabelGadget.foreground: #000000
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*XmList.foreground: #000000
*XmMenuShell.background: #ece9e9
*XmMenuShell.foreground: #000000
*XmMessageBox.background: #ece9e9
*XmMessageBox.foreground: #000000
*XmPanedWindow.background: #ece9e9
*XmPanedWindow.foreground: #000000
*XmPushButton.background: #ece9e9
*XmPushButton.foreground: #000000
*XmPushButtonGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmPushButtonGadget.foreground: #000000
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*XmRowColumn.foreground: #000000
*XmSash.background: #ece9e9
*XmSash.foreground: #000000
*XmScrollBar.background: #ece9e9
*XmScrollBar.foreground: #000000
*XmScrolledWindow.background: #ece9e9
*XmScrolledWindow.foreground: #000000
*XmSelectionBox.background: #ece9e9
*XmSelectionBox.foreground: #000000
*XmSeparator.background: #ece9e9
*XmSeparator.foreground: #000000
*XmSeparatorGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmSeparatorGadget.foreground: #000000
*XmTearOffButton.background: #ece9e9
*XmTearOffButton.foreground: #000000
*XmTearOffButtonGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmTearOffButtonGadget.foreground: #000000
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*XmText.foreground: #000000
*XmTextField.background: #ffffff
*XmTextField.foreground: #000000
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*XmToggleButton.foreground: #000000
*XmToggleButtonGadget.background: #ece9e9
*XmToggleButtonGadget.foreground: #000000
*background: #ece9e9
*foreground: #000000
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Editres*Tree.Background: #ffffff
Editres*Tree.Foreground: #000000
Editres*Tree.Toggle.Background: #ece9e9
Editres*Tree.Toggle.Foreground: #000000
Emacs*Background: #ffffff
Emacs*Dialog*background: #ece9e9
Emacs*Dialog*foreground: #000000
Emacs*Foreground: #000000
Emacs*XlwScrollBar.Background: #ece9e9
Emacs*XlwScrollBar.Foreground: #000000
Emacs*backgroundToolBarColor: #ece9e9
Emacs*bottomToolBarShadowColor: #ece9e9
Emacs*menubar*background: #ece9e9
Emacs*menubar*foreground: #000000
Emacs*popup*Background: #ece9e9
Emacs*popup*Foreground: #000000
Emacs*topToolBarShadowColor: #ece9e9
Emacs.default.attributeBackground: #ffffff
Emacs.default.attributeForeground: #000000
Emacs.mode-line.attributeForeground: #000000
Emacs.scroll-bar.attributeBackground: #ece9e9
Emacs.scroll-bar.attributeForeground: #000000
Emacs.tool-bar.attributeBackground: #ece9e9
Emacs.tool-bar.attributeForeground: #000000
Xcursor.size: 24
Xcursor.theme: Bluecurve
Xcursor.theme_core: true
Xft.antialias: 1
Xft.dpi: 108
Xft.hinting: 1
Xft.hintstyle: hintfull
Xft.rgba: none
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Thank you Ville, I'll look at the logs.
Best,
Roni.
You may be able to find out what packages have been recently updated
by
comparing various /var/log/rpmpkgs* files with each other, looking
into /var/log/yum.log, and/or looking for yum entries in /var/log/messages.
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>>>> "Roni" == Roni Simonian
<v.simonian(a)comcast.net> writes:
Roni> The resolution is correct but the
size is not
Hi Roni, I had a similar problem with fonts in some apps being
incorrect because the system was reporting an incorrect size for
the screen. I 'corrected' it by adding a call to xrandr
specifying the correct physical screen size in the gdm config:
/etc/gdm/Init/Default
xrandr --fbmm 339x212
HTH
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Alexander Taler writes:
>>>>> "Roni" == Roni Simonian
<v.simonian(a)comcast.net> writes:
Roni> The resolution is correct but the size is not
Hi Roni, I had a similar problem with fonts in some apps being
incorrect because the system was reporting an incorrect size for
the screen. I 'corrected' it by adding a call to xrandr
specifying the correct physical screen size in the gdm config:
/etc/gdm/Init/Default
xrandr --fbmm 339x212
Short story: Based on the information you sent in another message, I
second this recommendation. Get your Xft resolution (whose bright
idea was that, Mr. Packard?!) and your X11 resolution in sync, and
you will get consistent font-sizing behavior across modern and legacy
apps.
If you're still not 100% satisfied, we'll give you a full refund of
the price you paid us. :-) Seriously, please do report how you like
the result. Since it's an X11-level issue I don't know if there's
anything we can do about it except document it (the alternative would
be to dig into the Xft resources and use that to rescale font requests
on the fly, which is a bad idea).
Geoffrey Chaucer version: What's happening here is that the Xorg guys
have basically stopped supporting legacy bitmap fonts. This isn't a
problem in the West, where repertoires are small and font vendors
understand the benefits and inevitability of open source. Both
factors fail in Asian languages, so bitmap fonts have remained
prevalent until recently, and there is even a recent thread on
xemacs-beta where a couple of people (Julian Bradfield and Olivier
Galibert) complain about this problem while proclaiming the glories of
their favorite -misc-fixed-* fonts. :-) In general, I think Emacs
users probably tend to be happier with highly readable, slightly
klunky fonts than the average user.
Anyway, if you switch to an Xft-enabled XEmacs for 21.5, the "problem"
will probably fix itself because XEmacs/Xft will respect the Xft.dpi
setting. If it doesn't, that's a bug and I hope you will report it.
For 21.4 which only supports legacy fonts (there is an Xft patch for
it but you'll have to dig, and it will not be supported by the XEmacs
Project), you have to fix the information provided by xdpyinfo, which
is the information that the X library (and/or X font server) uses to
compute the appropriate font to return for "12 point".
The fact that Xorg.log.0 contains correct monitor dimensions but
xpyinfo returns something different I don't understand. Older
monitors were unable to communicate their dimensions, so I have been
in the habit of setting resolution by hand with "X -dpi ..." etc
("xrandr -fbmm ..." will work too if you have RANDR enabled in your X
server). But I'm surprised that recent X.org still doesn't get that
right somehow.
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8:34 a.m.
Hello Stephen and Alexander,
Thank you so much for helping me!
I followed your advice and added "xrandr --fbmm 520x320" at the end of
/etc/gdm/Init/Default.
The "Xft.dpi: 108" returned by "xrdb -query" is now consistent with
Gnome's "Preferences".
"xdpyinfo" reports the correct screen size. "xdpyinfo" still shows
"resolution: 94x95 dots per inch" but may be that's ok .
This change did not affect my current XEmacs installations. I tried to
build the Xft-enabled XEmacs manually (the current installation was done
with yum).
The new version indeed has a much larger fonts. For somewhat reason the
size of the new fonts depends on the installation config options. Here
is the screen shot of 3 installations
of 21.5.b28 side-by-side:
http://picasaweb.google.com/theothersimonian/XEmacsScreenshot#52695349159...
From left to right:
(1) Manual installation with ./configure
'--with-xft=emacs,menubars,tabs,gauges' '--with-error-checking=none'
(2) Manual installation with the same config options as in yum
installation except '--with-xfs' and
'--with-lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/lisp', and with
'--with-xft=emacs,menubars,tabs,gauges'
(3) Original yum installation (without xft)
Another unexpected change is the font type. It was "Courier" when
installed with yum, and the manual installations have "DejaVu Sans
Mono". The "Options->Font" and "Options->Font Size" in both
manual
installations do not respond to the attempts to change the parameters.
The "OK" and "Cancel" buttons in "Find File" window look
"flat" in both
manual installations. A part of the path in the "Save As.." menu window
cannot be selected by dragging the mouse with the left button pressed.
The entire path can be selected though.
I had 2 minor problems during the build:
- Linking failed with "font-mgr.c:912 undefined reference to
`FcConfigGetRescanInverval_REPLACE_BY_FcConfigGetRescanInterval'.
Replacing FcConfigGetRescanInverval/FcConfigSetRescanInverval in
"font-mgr.c" with FcConfigGetRescanInterval/FcConfigSetRescanInterval
fixed the problem.
- I removed "--with-lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/lisp' option in
(2) above because otherwise "make install" failed with the following
messages
Testing for Lisp shadows ...
./xemacs -no-packages -batch -l check-features.el
xemacs exiting.
Cannot open load file: "check-features.el"make[1]: *** [check-features]
Error 255
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs-21.5.28/src'
Apparently something went wrong since the "manual" versions looked so
different. Is it possible to enable xft while installing with yum? I'm
attaching the installation files for (1)-(3) in case you need to look at
them.
Thanks and best regards,
Roni.
This is a screenshot of "yum" and "manual" 21.5.b28 side-by-side
/etc/gdm/Init/Default
Alexander Taler writes:
> >>>>> "Roni" == Roni Simonian
<v.simonian(a)comcast.net> writes:
> Roni> The resolution is correct but the size is not
>
> Hi Roni, I had a similar problem with fonts in some apps being
> incorrect because the system was reporting an incorrect size for
> the screen. I 'corrected' it by adding a call to xrandr
> specifying the correct physical screen size in the gdm config:
>
> /etc/gdm/Init/Default
>
> xrandr --fbmm 339x212
Short story: Based on the information you sent in another message, I
second this recommendation. Get your Xft resolution (whose bright
idea was that, Mr. Packard?!) and your X11 resolution in sync, and
you will get consistent font-sizing behavior across modern and legacy
apps.
If you're still not 100% satisfied, we'll give you a full refund of
the price you paid us. :-) Seriously, please do report how you like
the result. Since it's an X11-level issue I don't know if there's
anything we can do about it except document it (the alternative would
be to dig into the Xft resources and use that to rescale font requests
on the fly, which is a bad idea).
Geoffrey Chaucer version: What's happening here is that the Xorg guys
have basically stopped supporting legacy bitmap fonts. This isn't a
problem in the West, where repertoires are small and font vendors
understand the benefits and inevitability of open source. Both
factors fail in Asian languages, so bitmap fonts have remained
prevalent until recently, and there is even a recent thread on
xemacs-beta where a couple of people (Julian Bradfield and Olivier
Galibert) complain about this problem while proclaiming the glories of
their favorite -misc-fixed-* fonts. :-) In general, I think Emacs
users probably tend to be happier with highly readable, slightly
klunky fonts than the average user.
Anyway, if you switch to an Xft-enabled XEmacs for 21.5, the "problem"
will probably fix itself because XEmacs/Xft will respect the Xft.dpi
setting. If it doesn't, that's a bug and I hope you will report it.
For 21.4 which only supports legacy fonts (there is an Xft patch for
it but you'll have to dig, and it will not be supported by the XEmacs
Project), you have to fix the information provided by xdpyinfo, which
is the information that the X library (and/or X font server) uses to
compute the appropriate font to return for "12 point".
The fact that Xorg.log.0 contains correct monitor dimensions but
xpyinfo returns something different I don't understand. Older
monitors were unable to communicate their dimensions, so I have been
in the habit of setting resolution by hand with "X -dpi ..." etc
("xrandr -fbmm ..." will work too if you have RANDR enabled in your X
server). But I'm surprised that recent X.org still doesn't get that
right somehow.
uname -a: Linux toro 2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 14:20:33 EDT 2008 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
./configure '--with-xft=emacs,menubars,tabs,gauges'
'--with-error-checking=none'
XEmacs 21.5-b28 "fuki" configured for `x86_64-unknown-linux'.
Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults:
Source code location: /usr/src/xemacs-21.5.28
Installation prefix: /usr/local
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Not using any machine description file
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.3.0 20080428 (Red Hat 4.3.0-8)
- GCC specs file: specs.
- Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare
-Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wunused-parameter -g
libc version: glibc-2.8-8.x86_64
glibc-2.8-8.i686
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location:
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/lib64
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
- Using fontconfig to manage fonts.
- Compiling in support for Xft antialiased fonts (EXPERIMENTAL).
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/Xaw
- Athena library to link: Xaw
Using Lucid menubars.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in menubars.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
Using Athena native widgets.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in tab controls.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in progress bars.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
WARNING: This feature not yet implemented; setting ignored.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Compiling in support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture).
Databases:
Compiling in support for Berkeley database.
Compiling in support for LDAP.
Internationalization:
Mail:
Compiling in support for "file" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new GC mark algorithms (KKCC).
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by
WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to
WARNING: turn it off.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
Using the new portable dumper.
Dumping into executable.
Compiling in support for extra debugging code.
uname -a: Linux toro 2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 14:20:33 EDT 2008 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
./configure '--with-xft=emacs,menubars,tabs,gauges'
'--build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'--target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix='
'--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin'
'--sbindir=/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--datadir=/usr/share'
'--includedir=/usr/include' '--libdir=/usr/lib64'
'--libexecdir=/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=/var'
'--sharedstatedir=/usr/com' '--mandir=/usr/share/man'
'--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1'
'--with-archlibdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux'
'--with-moduledir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux/modules'
'--with-etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/etc'
'--with-system-packages=/usr/share/xemacs' '--without-msw'
'--with-mule' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-database=no'
'--without-ldap' '--without-postgresql'
'--with-mail-locking=lockf' '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod'
'--with-pdump' '--with-debug' '--with-error-checking=none'
'--with-docdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/doc' '--with-athena=next'
'--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-widgets=athena'
'--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-scrollbars=lucid'
'--with-xim=xlib' '--without-wnn'
'build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'target_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing'
XEmacs 21.5-b28 "fuki" configured for `x86_64-redhat-linux'.
Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults:
Source code location: /usr/src/xemacs-21.5.28
Installation prefix: /usr
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Not using any machine description file
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.3.0 20080428 (Red Hat 4.3.0-8)
- GCC specs file: specs.
- Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare
-Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wunused-parameter -g -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing
libc version: glibc-2.8-8.x86_64
glibc-2.8-8.i686
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location:
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/lib64
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
- Using fontconfig to manage fonts.
- Compiling in support for Xft antialiased fonts (EXPERIMENTAL).
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/neXtaw
- Athena library to link: neXtaw
Using Lucid menubars.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in menubars.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
Using Athena native widgets.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in tab controls.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
- Using Xft to render antialiased fonts in progress bars.
WARNING: This feature will be replaced with a face.
WARNING: This feature not yet implemented; setting ignored.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Compiling in support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture).
Databases:
Internationalization:
Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs).
Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method).
- Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support.
Mail:
Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval.
Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new GC mark algorithms (KKCC).
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by
WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to
WARNING: turn it off.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
Using the new portable dumper.
Dumping into executable.
Compiling in support for extra debugging code.
uname -a: Linux xenbuilder4.fedora.phx.redhat.com 2.6.18-53.1.6.el5xen #1 SMP Wed Jan 16
04:10:44 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
./configure '--build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'--host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'--program-prefix=' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr'
'--bindir=/usr/bin' '--sbindir=/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/etc'
'--datadir=/usr/share' '--includedir=/usr/include'
'--libdir=/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=/usr/libexec'
'--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/usr/com'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1'
'--with-archlibdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux'
'--with-moduledir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/x86_64-redhat-linux/modules'
'--with-lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/lisp'
'--with-etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs-21.5-b28/etc'
'--with-system-packages=/usr/share/xemacs' '--without-msw'
'--with-mule' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-database=no'
'--without-ldap' '--without-postgresql'
'--with-mail-locking=lockf' '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod'
'--with-pdump' '--with-debug' '--with-error-checking=none'
'--with-docdir=/usr/lib64/xemacs-21.5-b28/doc' '--with-xfs'
'--with-athena=next' '--with-menubars=lucid'
'--with-widgets=athena' '--with-dialogs=athena'
'--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-xim=xlib' '--without-wnn'
'build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu'
'target_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing'
XEmacs 21.5-b28 "fuki" configured for `x86_64-redhat-linux'.
Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults:
Source code location: /builddir/build/BUILD/xemacs-21.5.28
Installation prefix: /usr
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Not using any machine description file
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 4.3.0 20080218 (Red Hat 4.3.0-0.10)
- GCC specs file: specs.
- Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare
-Wno-char-subscripts -Wpacked -Wunused-parameter -g -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64
-mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing
libc version: glibc-2.7.90-7.x86_64
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location:
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/lib64
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/neXtaw
- Athena library to link: neXtaw
Using Lucid menubars.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
Using Athena native widgets.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Compiling in support for X-Face message headers.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Compiling in support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture).
Databases:
Internationalization:
Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs).
Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method).
- Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support.
- Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar.
Compiling in support for Canna on Mule.
Mail:
Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval.
Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new GC mark algorithms (KKCC).
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
WARNING: The new algorithms are experimental. They are enabled by
WARNING: default for this release. Use `--disable-kkcc' to
WARNING: turn it off.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
Using the new portable dumper.
Dumping into executable.
Compiling in support for extra debugging code.
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4:36 p.m.
On Monday 17 November 2008, Roni Simonian wrote:
Apparently something went wrong since the "manual" versions
looked so
different. Is it possible to enable xft while installing with yum?
Not at runtime, but you can grab the xemacs-21.5.*src.rpm from the Fedora
sources repository and rebuild it with "rpmbuild --rebuild --with xft
xemacs*src.rpm" which should get you a Xft-enabled XEmacs binary rpms to
install. I haven't tested building using "--with xft" in a while but
I'm
fairly confident that it still works.
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8:45 p.m.
Hi Ville,
Thank you for the suggestion. I did as you said it but the result was
the same as manual installation with the same config options.
May be changing the font size for the text only would be a reasonable
workaround...
Best,
R.
Not at runtime, but you can grab the xemacs-21.5.*src.rpm from the
Fedora
sources repository and rebuild it with "rpmbuild --rebuild --with xft
xemacs*src.rpm" which should get you a Xft-enabled XEmacs binary rpms to
install. I haven't tested building using "--with xft" in a while but
I'm
fairly confident that it still works
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