Jan Vroonhof writes: Jan> I would then say this an window-maker bug. A title-bar only window is the Jan> NeXT'ish equivalent of being iconified (the icons are always visible Jan> under window-maker I think) so it should just tell the application it is. This would be dangerous because when a window is iconified, the application has the right to request the icon's window-id which may not exist. Afterstep, for instance doesn't provide an icon when windows are shaded. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 73 46 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19