On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: On my iMac I use an .Xmodmap file with the following: keycode 63 = Alt_L keycode 64 = Shift_L keycode 65 = Caps_Lock keycode 66 = Meta_L keycode 67 = Control_L keycode 68 = Shift_R keycode 69 = Super_R keycode 70 = Hyper_R keycode 71 = Mode_switch [...] clear Shift clear Lock clear Control clear Mod1 clear Mod2 clear Mod3 clear Mod4 clear Mod5 add Shift = Shift_L Shift_R add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L add Mod1 = Alt_L add Mod2 = Meta_L add Mod3 = Mode_switch add Mod4 = Super_R add Mod5 = Hyper_R This allows the right command and option keys to work as composition keys and the left ones to drive the functions. xmodmap then reports shift Shift_L (0x40), Shift_R (0x44) lock Caps_Lock (0x41) control Control_L (0x43) mod1 Alt_L (0x3f) mod2 Meta_L (0x42) mod3 Mode_switch (0x47) mod4 Super_R (0x45) mod5 Hyper_R (0x46) Regarding your earlier questions regarding where to place packages, on my 21.5 setup, I use these two commands in configure which allow me to keep XEmacs within my home directories yet still keep the parts in a structure that looks similar to the way it looks in /usr land: --prefix=/Users/royar/usr/local --with-prefix Of course ~/usr/local must exist first. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

Yes, but that's not the problem here. It's been so long since I've used a .Xmodmap file on a Mac that I don't even have one in my backups that I can locate. However, that may well be a clue to getting where I need to be. By actual count, my keybindings file has 32 key bindings that use the hyper key, and 28 that use the super key, like these: (define-key global-map '[(hyper o) (hyper l)] 'linux-notebook-entry) (define-key global-map '[(super a)] 'auto-fill-mode) The problem is that at the moment no key on my keyboard generates stuff that XEmacs recognizes as either hyper or super. Since you *didn't* encounter one with Ctrl on the middle row? You mean it's always on that key next to the 'A' key? Surely you mean the other way around? That key is bound to Caps Lock on every PC keyboard and Mac by default, and has been for many years. Caps Lock is perhaps the single most useless function on the keyboard. I'm not saying it's never necessary, but why it should be tied to the most accessible mode key on the keyboard has always been beyond me. I'm good at typing like the wind while holding the Shift key down for those rare occasions I need to type things in all upper case. Back in the mid-eighties, when GUIs were just becoming available on Unix systems (because of X11, as I recall), our whole engineering office at Motorola Computer Group used a kind of networking graphics terminal. You'd boot the terminal with a long string of typed in arguments that included IP addresses where to load some software and where to get a login, and these were provided by server systems. On these terminals the control key was on that key left of the 'A' key. And had keycaps to match. As an Emacs user, I liked it that way. Fortunately, on both Unix and Linux systems and on Macs, too, it's configurable. Any stranger who sits at my computer would be confused, but only one stranger has ever tried, who immediately found himself unable to do anything. :-) So anyhow, I still have no solution for this problem of generating Super and Hyper codes. -- Lynn David Newton Columbus, Ohio neologisticsediting.com lynndavidnewton.com _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

Lynn> The problem is that at the moment no key on my keyboard Lynn> generates stuff that XEmacs recognizes as either hyper or Lynn> super. Raymond> Maybe a peek with xev (which does work on Macs) will give you some Raymond> hints one what the various keys do. Maybe some of the keys you want Raymond> are never passed on to X11? FWIW, xev on my iMac says the apple key is mapped to Meta and the Alt/Option key is mapped to mode_switch. I guess with some xmodmap magic you can get the Alt/Option key to be Super on one and Hyper on the other. Ray _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

--On January 22, 2013 10:55:39 AM -0500 Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I created an .XModmap file based on some messages on this list several years ago. Perhaps it could be modified do what you want: ! This is derived from messages on the XEmacs-Beta. See ! <http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-beta/2009-May/016405.html> ! and following messages. The result is to bind left option to Alt, ! right control to Hyper, and right Cmd to Super. Other keys are left ! as they were. ! Right control key keycode 70 = Hyper_R ! Right CMD key keycode 71 = Super_R ! Left option key keycode 66 = Alt_L clear Shift clear Lock clear Control clear Mod1 clear Mod2 clear Mod3 clear Mod4 clear Mod5 add Shift = Shift_L Shift_R add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L add Mod1 = Alt_L add Mod2 = Meta_L add Mod3 = Mode_switch add Mod4 = Super_R add Mod5 = Hyper_R keysym 65506 = Shift_R keysym 65505 = Shift_L Mike _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I meant "since I did", sorry. xmodmap should let you do this (use Hyper_L/R and Super_L/R). This URL may help you: http://computing.fnal.gov/docs/products/xemacs/v21_1/xemacs.info,.Superan... -- Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated. Scientific site: http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier Music (Jazz) site: http://www.didierverna.com _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta