Jan> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes: Jan> [This is all 21.0 talk, what would be more proper long term Jan> solution is not the question now] Agreed. "Safer" is still relevant to the current release. No? Especially since Per points out that face-spec-set is one of the recommended face APIs for Gnus. Things exposed to user-land ought to be safe where the extra power is unnecessary; those calling `reset-face' should know what they're doing. Jan> Personally I do not care where one changes the code but what Jan> do want to propose replacing the (reset-face 'default) in Jan> face-spec-set in. A no-op (either by not calling reset-face Jan> or having reset-face be a no-op on default)? My current preference is to wrap the `reset-face' as follows (I'm not sure at the moment what the right equality test is): (unless (equal face 'default) (reset-face face ...)) Jan> I think that is wrong. Your example is correct. Too bad. Custom is inadequate here, because you can't win. Your suggested default-saving breaks any later changes the user makes to 'default. I gave an example of how it could break. Of course Custom basically says "faces are mine, don't touch," and we could document that and ignore it for 21.0, except that Mule users have no choice but to use non-Custom interfaces like `set-face-font'. If you want to implement default-saving in Custom for 21.0, OK. I myself don't want to hack up a temporary fix that both Hrvoje and Per are likely to have reservations about. Custom already has mechanisms for saving existing settings; it already uses them and you will have to make sure that this default-saving behavior does not conflict with them. Not worth it, IMO. So this is more "post-21.0" "what should Custom really be" talk, IMO. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."