On Wed, 10 May 2000 00:46:12 -0700, Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com&gt; said: Today I tried and tried to reproduce the error and couldn't. However, upon sending a message, I did get this one, fwiw: #0 0x81dd5f7 in find_window_mirror_internal (win={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 37087774}, s = {bits = 0, val = 74175548}, u = {bits = 0, val = 74175548}, ui = 148351096, i = 148351096, v = 0x8d7a878, cv = 0x8d7a878}, rmir=0x0, w=0x8669118) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/window.c:451 #1 0x81d2655 in find_window_mirror (w=0x8669118) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/window.c:439 #2 0x818024f in redisplay_window (window={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35234886}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70469772}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70469772}, ui = 140939544, i = 140939544, v = 0x8669118, cv = 0x8669118}, skip_selected=0) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/redisplay.c:5977 #3 0x81854c3 in Fredisplay_echo_area () at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/redisplay.c:8867 #4 0x80c2b8a in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0xbfffccd8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3218 #5 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8361df8 "\bÁk?­%Â\013\e\034Å\bÆ\"\210\016\a?­\026È\016\t!Êa«\fË\b\016\fÍ\016\t!#ª\003Î *\207", stack_depth=5, constants_data=0x83f4b30) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #6 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34589720}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69179440}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69179440}, ui = 138358880, i = 138358880, v = 0x83f3060, cv = 0x83f3060}, nargs=3, args=0xbfffcf2c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #7 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xbfffcf28) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #8 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8361db8 "\b¬\004Á \020\n＠\e\f\013＠a«\n\013\211A\rP¡\210ª\a\f\rB\nB\022)Æ\r\b\016\a#\207", stack_depth=4, constants_data=0x83f36c8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #9 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34589713}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69179426}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69179426}, ui = 138358852, i = 138358852, v = 0x83f3044, cv = 0x83f3044}, nargs=4, args=0xbfffd190) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #10 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=5, args=0xbfffd18c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #11 0x80c6652 in call4 (fn={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34255737}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68511474}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68511474}, ui = 137022948, i = 137022948, v = 0x82acde4, cv = 0x82acde4}, arg0={ gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222269}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444538}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444538}, ui = 136889076, i = 136889076, v = 0x828c2f4, cv = 0x828c2f4}, arg1={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 37013349}, s = {bits = 0, val = 74026698}, u = {bits = 0, val = 74026698}, ui = 148053396, i = 148053396, v = 0x8d31d94, cv = 0x8d31d94}, arg2={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35177006}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70354012}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70354012}, ui = 140708024, i = 140708024, v = 0x86308b8, cv = 0x86308b8}, arg3={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3919 #12 0x816d0ae in echo_area_message (f=0x86308b8, nonreloc=0x0, reloc={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 37013349}, s = {bits = 0, val = 74026698}, u = {bits = 0, val = 74026698}, ui = 148053396, i = 148053396, v = 0x8d31d94, cv = 0x8d31d94}, offset=0, length=-1, label={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222269}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444538}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444538}, ui = 136889076, i = 136889076, v = 0x828c2f4, cv = 0x828c2f4}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/minibuf.c:745 #13 0x808a791 in garbage_collect_1 () at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/alloc.c:3399 #14 0x80c298e in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffd3e0) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3167 #15 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8674918 "ÀÁÂ\013\"!ÀÁÂ\f\"!ÁÅ\013\"ÁÅ\f\"\036\006\036\a\036\b\211\036\t\016\ba¬*\016\a\016\006a¬#ÊË\016\t\"«\021ÊÌÍ\016\tÎ\211\225O!P\016\b\"¬\f\016\017«\013ÐÑ\016\017\"«\004Òª\002Ó,\207", stack_depth=7, constants_data=0x84d95b0) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #16 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34871695}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69743390}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69743390}, ui = 139486780, i = 139486780, v = 0x850663c, cv = 0x850663c}, nargs=2, args=0xbfffd62c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #17 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbfffd628) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #18 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8638dc0 "\b\t\n\"\207lH＠ ", stack_depth=3, constants_data=0x84e6f48) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #19 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34871723}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69743446}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69743446}, ui = 139486892, i = 139486892, v = 0x85066ac, cv = 0x85066ac}, nargs=1, args=0xbfffd86c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #20 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffd868) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #21 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x86746b8 "À\tsA＠\032Ã\tsA＠­\013Ã\tsA＠\211\022­\002Ä\035Æ\tsA＠\036\aÈ\tsA＠\036\tÊ\tsA＠­\fÊ\tsA＠\211\026\t­\002Ä\036\013Ì\tsA＠\036\rÎ\tsA＠\036\017Ð\tsA＠®\002Ñ\036\022Ó\tsA＠\036\024\t\211\036\025«\037\016\025＠Ös¬\017×\tsA＠¬\bØÙ\016\025＠\"\210\016\025AA\211\026\025¬ã)\016\r®\005Ú\211\026\rÑX«\006\016\e\202º\001\016\e<\203¬\001\016\017«M\016\rÜW«GÝ\036\036\016\rS\211\026\rÑY«4ß\016 \016\e\016\022\016\024\016\017%\211\026\036«#\016\036ÑU«\b\016\eA\026\e"..., stack_depth=7, constants_data=0x8385b58) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #22 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34478209}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68956418}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68956418}, ui = 137912836, i = 137912836, v = 0x8386204, cv = 0x8386204}, nargs=4, args=0xbfffdbd0) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #23 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=5, args=0xbfffdbcc) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #24 0x80c3049 in Fapply (nargs=6, args=0xbfffdbcc) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3426 #25 0x80c2d33 in Ffuncall (nargs=7, args=0xbfffdbc8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3239 #26 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8638b88 "ÀÁÂ\013Ä\r\016\006&\006\207", stack_depth=7, constants_data=0x8385c38) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #27 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34478223}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68956446}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68956446}, ui = 137912892, i = 137912892, v = 0x838623c, cv = 0x838623c}, nargs=2, args=0xbfffde1c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #28 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbfffde18) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #29 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8674618 "À \031Â\216Ã\fÅ\016\006!\"\211\036\a＠\036\b\016\t«\037\016\n¬\e\016\bËÌ\016\006!!a¬\020ËÌ\016\006!!Í\016\b\016\a\"B\026\a\016\n«\fÍp\016\a\"\211\026\a＠\026\b\016\016«\aÏÐ\016\a\"\210\016\021¨«\027\016\021ÒV«\021\016\aG\016\021V«\t\016\021\016\a\233Ó¡\210\016\024«\b\016\024\016\a!\026\a\016\a\036\aÕ\036\026×Ø\016\a\"*\211\026\a,\207", stack_depth=5, constants_data=0x84ead98) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #30 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34871737}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69743474}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69743474}, ui = 139486948, i = 139486948, v = 0x85066e4, cv = 0x85066e4}, nargs=3, args=0xbfffe078) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #31 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xbfffe074) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #32 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8674198 "À\t!­\002\t\032À\n!­\006ÃÄ\n!!?­6Å\016\006\n\"­/\016\a«\bÈ \016\ta¬\004Ê \210ËÌ\n\"­\eÍ\016\aÀ\t!­\004Î\t!\"\036\017Ð\016\017ÑÒÓ\n\016\024##))\207", stack_depth=7, constants_data=0x84fbff8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #33 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34871758}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69743516}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69743516}, ui = 139487032, i = 139487032, v = 0x8506738, cv = 0x8506738}, nargs=1, args=0xbfffe348) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #34 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffe344) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #35 0x80c35b3 in run_hook_with_args_in_buffer (buf=0x8d53480, nargs=2, args=0xbfffe344, cond=RUN_HOOKS_TO_COMPLETION) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3704 #36 0x80c368c in va_run_hook_with_args (hook_var={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222395}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444790}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444790}, ui = 136889580, i = 136889580, v = 0x828c4ec, cv = 0x828c4ec}, nargs=1) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3717 #37 0x8092509 in Frecord_buffer (buffer={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 37047584}, s = {bits = 0, val = 74095168}, u = {bits = 0, val = 74095168}, ui = 148190336, i = 148190336, v = 0x8d53480, cv = 0x8d53480}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/buffer.c:1423 #38 0x81d6491 in Fselect_window (window={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 37087774}, s = {bits = 0, val = 74175548}, u = {bits = 0, val = 74175548}, ui = 148351096, i = 148351096, v = 0x8d7a878, cv = 0x8d7a878}, norecord={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/window.c:3377 #39 0x81dac0c in Fset_window_configuration (configuration={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 36456614}, s = {bits = 0, val = 72913228}, u = {bits = 0, val = 72913228}, ui = 145826456, i = 145826456, v = 0x8b12298, cv = 0x8b12298}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/window.c:5476 #40 0x80c23ef in Feval (form={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 36981779}, s = {bits = 0, val = 73963558}, u = {bits = 0, val = 73963558}, ui = 147927116, i = 147927116, v = 0x8d1304c, cv = 0x8d1304c}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3018 #41 0x80c2b9e in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffe7a8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3218 #42 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0xbfffe8b4 "À\t＠!«\a\t＠ \210ª\006Â\t＠!\210À\207¿\2004Õ\b\002", stack_depth=2, constants_data=0x86a3248) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #43 0x80990c2 in Fbyte_code (instructions={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35308823}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70617646}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70617646}, ui = 141235292, i = 141235292, v = 0x86b145c, cv = 0x86b145c}, constants={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35294350}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70588700}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70588700}, ui = 141177400, i = 141177400, v = 0x86a3238, cv = 0x86a3238}, stack_depth={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Int_Even, val = 1}, s = {bits = 1, val = 2}, u = {bits = 1, val = 2}, ui = 5, i = 5, v = 0x5, cv = 0x5}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:2404 #44 0x80c2435 in Feval (form={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35372697}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70745394}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70745394}, ui = 141490788, i = 141490788, v = 0x86efa64, cv = 0x86efa64}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3018 #45 0x80bf710 in condition_case_3 (bodyform={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35372697}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70745394}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70745394}, ui = 141490788, i = 141490788, v = 0x86efa64, cv = 0x86efa64}, var={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}, handlers={ gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35372715}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70745430}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70745430}, ui = 141490860, i = 141490860, v = 0x86efaac, cv = 0x86efaac}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:1644 #46 0x80975a0 in execute_rare_opcode (stack_ptr=0xbfffece0, program_ptr=0x8afd997 "\210\b\211A\020\210ªò\207nd wi", opcode=Bcondition_case) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:1272 #47 0x809687b in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8afd990 "\b­\rÁÂÃ\217\210\b\211A\020\210ªò\207nd wi", stack_depth=3, constants_data=0x86f0570) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:657 #48 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35372889}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70745778}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70745778}, ui = 141491556, i = 141491556, v = 0x86efd64, cv = 0x86efd64}, nargs=1, args=0xbfffef1c) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #49 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffef18) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #50 0x80969fb in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x8d8fab8 "p\b\031\032Ã\f!­\"Å\n!­\035\016\006«\aÇ\n!\210ª\016È\n!\210\npa«\005É\n!\210Ê\t!\210Ë*\207!", stack_depth=2, constants_data=0x86b4fa8) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:747 #51 0x80966cc in funcall_compiled_function (fun={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35398142}, s = {bits = 0, val = 70796284}, u = {bits = 0, val = 70796284}, ui = 141592568, i = 141592568, v = 0x87087f8, cv = 0x87087f8}, nargs=1, args=0xbffff168) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/bytecode.c:516 #52 0x80c2d70 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbffff164) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:3253 #53 0x809b872 in Fcall_interactively (function={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34592149}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69184298}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69184298}, ui = 138368596, i = 138368596, v = 0x83f5654, cv = 0x83f5654}, record_flag={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}, keys={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/callint.c:946 #54 0x80c19d9 in Fcommand_execute (cmd={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34592149}, s = {bits = 0, val = 69184298}, u = {bits = 0, val = 69184298}, ui = 138368596, i = 138368596, v = 0x83f5654, cv = 0x83f5654}, record={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}, keys={ gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:2656 #55 0x810c2c6 in execute_command_event (command_builder=0x8575f18, event={ gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35589659}, s = {bits = 0, val = 71179318}, u = {bits = 0, val = 71179318}, ui = 142358636, i = 142358636, v = 0x87c386c, cv = 0x87c386c}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/event-stream.c:3836 #56 0x810c9a3 in Fdispatch_event (event={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 35589659}, s = {bits = 0, val = 71179318}, u = {bits = 0, val = 71179318}, ui = 142358636, i = 142358636, v = 0x87c386c, cv = 0x87c386c}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/event-stream.c:4203 #57 0x80a2180 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/cmdloop.c:575 #58 0x80a2434 in command_loop_1 (dummy={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/cmdloop.c:490 #59 0x80c71d6 in condition_case_1 (handlers={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222077}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444154}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444154}, ui = 136888308, i = 136888308, v = 0x828bff4, cv = 0x828bff4}, bfun=0x80a2410 <command_loop_1>, barg={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}, hfun=0x80a24c4 <cmd_error>, harg={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:1644 #60 0x80a2603 in command_loop_2 (dummy={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/cmdloop.c:252 #61 0x80c7063 in internal_catch (tag={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34240583}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68481166}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68481166}, ui = 136962332, i = 136962332, v = 0x829e11c, cv = 0x829e11c}, func=0x80a25bc <command_loop_2>, arg={gu = { type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}, threw=0x0) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/eval.c:1310 #62 0x80a1df2 in initial_command_loop (load_me={gu = {type = Lisp_Type_Record, val = 34222053}, s = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, u = {bits = 0, val = 68444106}, ui = 136888212, i = 136888212, v = 0x828bf94, cv = 0x828bf94}) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/cmdloop.c:301 #63 0x80bbdd4 in sort_args (argc=1, argv=0xbffffac4) at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/emacs.c:1873 #64 0x80bdeaf in main () at /usr/src/xemacs-21.2/src/emacs.c:2292 #65 0x403c8a42 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 -- Michael D. 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